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post #31 of 38 Old 11-18-2008
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Task Force 150

Ok, just to set the record straight.
We (a number of countries) DO try to stop the pirates in the Gulf of Aden.
Combined Task Force 150

Forget about defending the ships with shotguns or rifles, the pirates have nothing to loose and are ready to risk a lot - What we need are more ships in the task force!
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Has anyone ever been to the Seychelles? If I recall, the US operates from there. It could be argued that extending the range of patrols from that location including drones could be an immediate and effective deterrent without a significant increase in budget. Much better than retasking the 5th fleet to that area, IMO.

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This works out great, until someone calls Mayday on channel 16.

If you have a couple little ships with guys with guns on them and coinciddentally are getting a mayday call, I am partial to thinking my current pressing problem supercedes my obligation to try and come to your aid while I am being shot at. Now I can see that it could be used to be a nice ruse to lure in ships but thats different from the scenario I was thinking about when I said 'don't slow down for anybody' - I meant when they are chasing you!
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Has anyone ever been to the Seychelles? If I recall, the US operates from there. It could be argued that extending the range of patrols from that location including drones could be an immediate and effective deterrent without a significant increase in budget. Much better than retasking the 5th fleet to that area, IMO.
The US Navy operates out of Diego Garcia, some 400 miles (a guess) SE of the Seychelles. And the French Navy operates out of the Comores, not that far from where the super tanker was taken.

If there was anything more than lip service paid to this problem, both these forces could mobilise the odd F16 and take the pirates out AFTER they leave the ships. It'll only take a few hits like that to make them really scared. Nothing produces skid marks as easily as a military jet coming out of nowhere and firing a few rockets.

In my view, the best thing someone could do is nuke Somalia. That'll stop them farting in church!!!


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I'm thinking good sub pratice.

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I'm thinking good sub pratice.
Still an issue of naval vessel tasking, read: budget and to a lesser extent; political termperature at the Pentagon. Remember, we're back into Dem. controlled executive and legislative branches. The last time this happened, Both bases I served out of turned into commercial real estate. Military spending was the first on the chopping block.

For better or worse, the predominant philosophy is "we aren't the worlds police".

It just occured to me, the cliche "It'll take an act of congress..." won't even work here, not until the legislative isn't a political (I didn't say functional) extension of the executive, or vice versa.

Off rant. Time to switch to decaf.... ;-)

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Actually, reading the polical tea leaves I'd say this might be a very bad time to be a pirate. Republicans have nothing to prove when it comes to agressive response. Barak Obama is a very smart man, if this is his first "test" he may feel that the smart thing to do is raise the body count quickly and mercilessly. He certainly can't let himself be emabarrased by theses thugs. If there is a violent solution then It's really a perfect opporunity for him. THere won't be a lot of sympathy for the pirates and we don't have to kill all that many of them to stop the problem.

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