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It is definately the best place to be.I think it beats the Bahamas!Though wouldn't have missed going there either.What the name of your boat?When will you get here?
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Trying to get boat ready for trip south, can't stand winter. I have been up to your area, took the ferry and bla bla bla quite nice but as far as I know, it still snows there.
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I thought the nornmal practice was to close the thru-hull and remove the lever. That has always been accepted around my area. Maybe Canada is being stricter but I would think Val and the others would know best.
That's the trouble. We don't (OK, I don't and I edit a newsletter from which I get a lot of information on regulatory and safety issues around the Great Lakes), and this sounds draconian, not to mention stupid, to me.

If by "visibly disconnected", they mean "routed obviously to a holding tank and not overboard", then I am in compliance and there is no problem. But "visibly disconnected" to me sounds like "pull the hose off the barb leading outside and put a cork in said hose to keep the whiff going out the vent and not into the boat".

It's crazy anyway, given that it is nearly impossible to keep the bilges so spotless that any bilge discharge is crystal clean. Not to mention that running a sailboat's exhaust frequently leaves traces of sheen on the water.

I don't own a car, and I guarantee my boating activities in total are less polluting than 1/10th of the annual output of any car. My wife and I are pretty strict about even the paints and cleaners we use, whereas I see boat detailers powerwashing loads of soap foam into the water every year.
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Here's the law:

DISCHARGE OF SEWAGE FROM PLEASURE BOATS

I think a locked diverter would be fine. The key phrase is 4(c)- "no other means"- if the diverter is permanently closed, then there is "no other means" to discharge waste other than a pump out.


(c) no means of removal of toilet waste is provided other than the means mentioned in clause (b);

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When you read the other post I made that comes from the Canadian govt. I would not count on a diverter valve being acceptable

"In these areas, a pleasure craft fitted with a toilet must also be fitted with a holding tank and if fitted with a piping system that allows the discharge of sewage directly overboard, then this discharge must be visibly disconnected"
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Well!!!!!I am just utterly appalled at the attitude of so many people to polluting the waterways! I really enjoy being able to swim in clean water off the boat and get very annoyed by people who are too lazy or cheap to go to a pump.These very same people think nothing of spending a fortune buying fancy schmanzy electronic gear for their boat but thumb their nose at the environment.Shame on you!!!!!!
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Ellinor, shame on you...Where did you read that I want to dump overboard?

This current regulation sounds like the regs on Lake Champlain between NY & Vermont. You WILL get fined if you have not physically disconnected all discharge hoses from the head system. They specifically state that locking out or removing the handle is insufficient to comply on Lake Champlain.

But I'm not totally clear with the Canadian reg, so I thought I'd ask here. That's what this board is for.
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OK OK maybe I did go overboard!I do tend to rant and rave when I get on a hobby horse.Hubby and I are a bit fanatical about it all.
An example:- we were stuck in the Tonawanda area during the oct snowstorm a couple of years ago and needed to empty the holding tank before getting the boat trucked back to Canada.All Marinas we could get to with 5ft draft had pump outs closed down.Found open but too shallow for us So, we tied to the gas dock pumped our holding tank out with a gusher bucket by bucket full and carried it in driving sleet 1/4 mile to the porta pot discharge toilet.How about that for dedication guys!!!
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This is a bit off topic but as you well know, anything above Hwy #7 is " Up North". Have been all over Ontario as I was raised in Toronto, that being said it is God's country up there and I love it in the summer. We are currently living in east TN at the foot of the Great Smoky Mountains and the boat is in Toronto as we live aboard there in the summer. I have to tell you this, if you've never been down to this area, it gives Ontario a run for the money and it truly is beautiful here. Americans are blessed with this fine country. And I guess you thought all Torontonians think the world stops at Woodbridge!
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(c) no means of removal of toilet waste is provided other than the means mentioned in clause (b);

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When you read the other post I made that comes from the Canadian govt. I would not count on a diverter valve being acceptable

"In these areas, a pleasure craft fitted with a toilet must also be fitted with a holding tank and if fitted with a piping system that allows the discharge of sewage directly overboard, then this discharge must be visibly disconnected"
Tied and tagged or handle removed would meet the letter of the law, and, more importantly, the application of the law, at least by our local marinas. If there is no visible means to open a valve, and/or all means to open a valve are visibly disabled, then the valve is for all intents and purposes disconnected. This law has been on the books since last year, and I have not heard of a US boater getting fined or refused entry into any of our local marinas.
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I thought all the regs on the great lakes were the same by international treaty. i know there are plenty of boats back and forth across Lake Ontario and I never heard of anyone pulling hoses. But maybe I just dont know.
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