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Expecting an insurance company to be reasoned or rational... umm, not gonna happen.

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A state flagged vessel will have problems entering a foreign country.
Yes.

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A US flagged vessel with a Captain carrying a British passport will raise eyebrows,
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as would a British flagged ship in its home port in Texas.
No.

Seems to me the easiest thing to do would be to register in a red ensign country and be done with it. You can fly the red ensign on the stern and the US flag in the courtesy position.

Check with CBP on requirements for being in the US. It can't be too bad -- there are a number of red ensign boats near me that have been here for several years.

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Dave-
"A US flagged vessel with a Captain carrying a British passport will raise eyebrows," Technically you are right, but only because a "captain' may be many things including a hired hand. You're out of context here, because on a privately owned recreational vessel we say "Captain" to mean what is legally called the "Owner Operator" who is also the Master.
You claim to own a US-flagged boat, and you have a foreign passport, and you will be interrogated on it because that's simply illegal. You can play pilpul here, but we all know the context the question was asked in.

Similarly, it doesn't matter what you've seen flying on loal boats, no one can legally keep a foreign vessel in US waters indefinitely. Again, in context, a foreign flagged privately owned pleasure craft can be in the US for no more than one year--at which time it has to LEAVE to get the cruising permit renewed. Conveniently, a boat in Texas can hop down to Mexico or other destinations while doing that, and the odds are you just having been keeping a careful attendance poll on the boats that you think were in the US all year. Or, they're simply here illegally.

Which is a good way to get your boat seized and to find yourself deported from the US on a pemanent basis.

It really is't so hard to find the laws onj these things. Although, you get extra points if you find the treaty obligation that allows British-flagged vessels to sail up the Mississippi without having to enter or clear US Customs. (Hint, that's an OLD one.)
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