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Now you are into the what and how you want somethng built. Example, i probably would not take a tartan offshore, altho the older fiberglass ones are held in high regard. One of the things I do not like about them, is the door way into the cabin, goes all the way down to the cockpit floor, vs some designs have the door stopping at the seat top. Yes you have to climb up and over, BUT, if the doors break, you have less water getting into the cabin per wave that poops over you. Now, in a really bad storm, you're probably screwed either way. But with a smaller opening, I have a slightly better chance at stopping the inflow when the time comes. Hense why this is on some folks prefered design want for a blue water boat.

I am not saying a Tartan is a bad boat either, it is a good fast design, just this part of the design does not thrill me if I was going off shore etc.

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Anyway it gets really complicated with insurance and hurricane and cyclone seasons!
We will be fully insured for our entire voyage, but with my professional marine qualifications, this is not very expensive. The hurricane and cyclone seasons are simply a part of any prudent sailor's planning.

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Try not to be too expedition-grade minded,a few fine things dont take up to much room and space and makes it feel more like home!For example ,we had cloth napkins and stainles wine goblets(cant stand those plastic things)
I wholeheartedly agree on the nice stuff. My decades of expeditionary mountaineering taught me that, even though it is sometimes necessary to rough it, that does not mean you should deny yourself all comforts. I learned the fine art of camping in style, and I apply that to my boating.

Sequitur will be our home for the next ten years or so as we slowly explore the planet, so we have such things as Irish linen napkins, Henkels cookware and knives, Riedel stemware and fine china all securely stowed for sea. These are readily accessible for the quiet anchorages, which will be the vast majority of the time, so why not be comfortable?
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Now you are into the what and how you want somethng built. Example, i probably would not take a tartan offshore, altho the older fiberglass ones are held in high regard. One of the things I do not like about them, is the door way into the cabin, goes all the way down to the cockpit floor, vs some designs have the door stopping at the seat top. Yes you have to climb up and over, BUT, if the doors break, you have less water getting into the cabin per wave that poops over you. Now, in a really bad storm, you're probably screwed either way. But with a smaller opening, I have a slightly better chance at stopping the inflow when the time comes. Hense why this is on some folks prefered design want for a blue water boat.

I am not saying a Tartan is a bad boat either, it is a good fast design, just this part of the design does not thrill me if I was going off shore etc.

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Now THAT'S a good comparison, Bluto. Makes perfect sense - and gives some perspective on the kind of thing to look for in a BAPB.

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Anyway it gets really complicated with insurance and hurricane and cyclone seasons!
Try not to be too expedition-grade minded,a few fine things dont take up to much room and space and makes it feel more like home!For example ,we had cloth napkins and stainles wine goblets(cant stand those plastic things)
I like the idea of SS goblets...We're not going to be uncivilized, but we are keeping the tech manageable, installing foot pumps, that sort of thing. I always want to be on the high side of producing and storing electricity for refrigeration and lighting and nav over pumps and DVD players and water heating.

As for the insurance, I'm hoping seamanship will keep me off the reef and reefing early will keep me out of the loft.
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Sequitur - dude, I like your style. I took a look at your website. Nice work. It'll be great to follow your voyages.
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Smack,

Thinking about my comparison comments above. I wish I could remember where I saw the plus's/minus comments about the two doorway's. It may have been in the European "Ocean A" ratings, and how and what allows a boat to meet those specs, vs B or C rated boats.

I went to the mahina site, and all I could find there are what boats they recommend etc. Altho I was perusing rather quickly. But I did not see what "I" would call "What to look for in a BW capable boat"

While as mentioned, some cookie cutter production boats will go off shore, some have a better design intent that others. What you and others, myself if I ever figure out how to go offshore, need to look for, are these design features that make better off shore boats.

Like a post in the boat buying the other day, a fellow was worried that a 6'4" draft boat was too deep. Hell, if you ground in the ICW at 6'4", I'd bet he'd ground in the 6' boat too! My thought is, one needs to plus/minus certain issues as to where they are going to go. If you're really going off shore for a 2-3 week passage, you had better have plenty of tankage, or a water maker on boat to suppliment lack of tankage if you will in water. Or have some sort of rain collector. Mean while, someone like myself in puget sound, you in your BIG texas lake, if you go cruising, you're out for a day or to or three, maybe a week. BUT, you have marina's, at least I do every 2-4 hrs max along the way! so while I only have 7 gals, or about 6-8 hrs of fuel at 3/4 throttle, it is not a big deal. Meanwhile, the person that wants to be able to motor for 24-28 hrs, better have a 50'ish gal fuel tank, or some way to store that much, using .75-1 gal per hr usage like my motor does. OR if you do do a 12 hr run like I have a couple of time, one takes a 5 gal container of diesel and a no spill nozzle, and fill while motoring!

I really do not feel there are rights and wrongs to what and how a boat should be built, designed etc. but, there are certainly some design issues that one should make sure that your boat meets what you feel is important to you! Myself, tankage is not a big deal, the door is, even for local cruising. A cockpit mounted main traveller, so I can release it from the helm, jib sheets to steer position, reasonable tankage for ones useage, this may vary.

Enjoy the hunt for your new boat. Meanwhile, If I could afford one, a Jeanneau Sunfast 3200 or equal would be in my slip for my usage. Saw some specs on a Beneteau Figaro a bit ago, be still my beating heart! Looks like as some one said, had not thought about it before, a mini transat about 33' long! hubba hubba!
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I wish I could remember where I saw the plus's/minus comments about the two doorway's. It may have been in the European "Ocean A" ratings, and how and what allows a boat to meet those specs, vs B or C rated boats.
I know I have mentioned the "doors" issue about my Nauticat before so it's possible that it is back there some where. My Nauticat is only rated "B" because it has the sliding doors on the side as all the NC "Traditional Motorsailer" are. The other Nauticat line "Pilot House" sailboats are rated "A" as they have the traditional sailboat companionway in the cockpit.
The '99 Catalina 320 I traded in for my '99 Nauticat 331 was rated "Ocean A" ......but which one do you think I'd rather be in while experiencing a Perfect Storm in the North Atlantic While I agree that the sliding side doors are an issue to be remidied I know there are lot more NC 33's out cruising the worlds oceans than C320's
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