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post #111 of 5064 Old 04-24-2009
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At least twice the price for an equal sized boat! There is something to be said for the base boats, ie catalina, Beneteau, Jeanneau, Hunter, Bavaria among others, Affordible and they will go offshore. Now they may not like going around the Horn on a bad day, a good day maybe..........But they are well built for what they are!

On the other hand, if HR's are so good, Why is Dog sailing a boat with training hulls? I would bet that boat is not as well built as an HR either? granted it is faster, but still. Probably built on par with Jeanneaus too!

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If I were going to spend that kind of money on a boat, I'd get a custom Chris White design more likely than not.

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Guys, guys...what have we already established? A great sailor can (and has in the past) taken a freakin' raft made out of pop bottles across the Pacific, so it's not so much the boat as the sailor.

I personally will 'fess up that I got a steel cutter for world cruising because I KNOW my level of experience won't support either a well-equipped but "light-ish" production cruiser, and my budget won't support a true performance cruiser of the Swan/Moody/OVNI class.

In other words, I got a tough steel boot to compensate for the fact I haven't done more than 10 years' of sailing.

If I make one bad-incident-free circ, maybe I'd make another in a faster, or even a production boat. Presumably, my level of experience (and not the inherent qualities of the boats involved) would merit a review of the appropriate vessel.

But if I hit the first reef I see off the Marquesas, steel and a big prop will give me a better chance of survival than a plastic boat designed to reel off 240 NM days.

Thank goodness I don't plan on being in a rush.

To sum: an ocean-rated 40-50 footer is going to be less boat in some respects than mine, and more boat in others. My advantages lie primarily in "forgiveness", which is a hint to the whole thread.

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Just about died !

I don't know whether to thank you or curse you, turning me on to Chris White.
I'd love just to see one on the docks and especially under sail.
I never knew about these vessels.


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LOL... he's a local to my sailing area... And you're very welcome... the dark side of the force is very seductive...

Here's a photo of one of his Hammerhead 54 trimarans under sail.



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I'd love just to see one on the docks and especially under sail.
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Who wouldn't like that?

Boat taste is like car taste. Someone told me that the Pontiac marque was being dropped by GM in the latest attempts to bail faster, and my reply was "Good. They aborted the Pontiac Aztek upon the face of the earth, and someone must pay. Let there be a heap of skulls before the Detroit headquarters!"

I have actually seen people in the street spot an Aztek and mutter "what the hell is wrong with that car? Wait, is it a car...why is it yellow...eeeewwww..."

That's the feeling I get from terrible boat design. The tri above is the opposite of that.

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The Aztek was one of the most hideous production vehicles I've ever seen...
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Who wouldn't like that?

Boat taste is like car taste. Someone told me that the Pontiac marque was being dropped by GM in the latest attempts to bail faster, and my reply was "Good. They aborted the Pontiac Aztek upon the face of the earth, and someone must pay. Let there be a heap of skulls before the Detroit headquarters!"

I have actually seen people in the street spot an Aztek and mutter "what the hell is wrong with that car? Wait, is it a car...why is it yellow...eeeewwww..."

That's the feeling I get from terrible boat design. The tri above is the opposite of that.

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I am a definite newby to this forum and this question is right where my thoughts are right now. We are planning to sail to Australia via the Panama Canal (from the Med). Once we reach the Whitsundays we will be settling down and our boat will then double up as a skippered charter. I have been looking at the Beneteau 50 but am getting lots of mixed messages. I notice that the Beneteau boats have regularly done well on the ARC and when I look at boats for sale in Aus quite a number have been circumnavigated with the boats and owners still in one piece. Yet none of the "production" boats are in this years list of recommended cruisers. Can someone tell me the downsides of this boat? We will be travelling myself, my wife and one child. Thanks for any comments.
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Gooday Graeme,
I am very biased but; have a look at the hull design - bolt on keel, chassis with hull glued on perhaps...Does the rig need regular tightening??

Then look at the hull shape - greater beam aft of the CLR as well as CE behind or about the CLR. Therefore downwind she might wish for her rear to race past her bow.

Then again, there are thousands of these bendy toys around. Cant be all bad. Will be great for the Whitsunday market.
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Umm... A 50' boat might be a bit of a handful for a couple with child...depending on the age of the child and such. When you're cruising as a couple—with or without child—you're generally two people singlehanding the same boat at different times. If the child is older, say 12+ YO, then that changes the equation slightly.

However, I strongly feel that any boat you get has to be capable of being handled singlehandedly by the weakest adult crew member that will normally be aboard her. There will be times, especially if you have a younger child, that the other person will not be available to help do things like reef the sails when it needs to be done.

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I am a definite newby to this forum and this question is right where my thoughts are right now. We are planning to sail to Australia via the Panama Canal (from the Med). Once we reach the Whitsundays we will be settling down and our boat will then double up as a skippered charter. I have been looking at the Beneteau 50 but am getting lots of mixed messages. I notice that the Beneteau boats have regularly done well on the ARC and when I look at boats for sale in Aus quite a number have been circumnavigated with the boats and owners still in one piece. Yet none of the "production" boats are in this years list of recommended cruisers. Can someone tell me the downsides of this boat? We will be travelling myself, my wife and one child. Thanks for any comments.

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