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Yeah, I guess the problem with the older Firsts is that they been raced to hell and back.


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westerlys especialy typhoon thats a good boat
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Jeff,

I have not been on a Ben from the 80's, but do own an 85 J Arcadia, and frankly, few if any here in the puget sound area will bash the design/build quality of "my" boat, or the Attalia's, sunshine's of the same era. I will not say they are perfect, I and most others have had to deal with the foam backed hull liner falling off, I believe you have said something to this effect i the past too. Altho some of the US manufactures have had the same issue from that era too. Not sure I would say it was a "French" built boat issue.

The only new boat from jeanneau in the last 3-5 yrs "I" really like is the sunfast 3200. Altho a first 36.7 would fit my needs quite well, or an older Sun Fast 35.......but we digress?!?!?!? a mid 30'ish foot boat with those design spec type perameters. Dehler 34R, X34 or 35, summit 35 to name a few that would work for "MY" needs etc. Granted there are some build quality differences.......if money were there, an SC37...............

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Dehler 34R that a good boat, What about a starlight 35??
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I noticed that nobody is mentioning the Calibers such as the 40LRC. Watertight colision bulkheads, stringer built rather than pan liners, and great tankage. Is there a flaw in these boats that rank them below Valiants and Pacific Seacraft?

I do own an O'day 322 and although I beleive her to be designed as a coastal boat (shallow bilge, small fuel tankage), she is easily as strong as a Jeaunneau of the same era. The bulkheads are tabbed to the hull sides and screwed to the grooves in the deck and pan liner (only 1/2" thick ply though). The hull deck joint is thru bolted on 6" centers shoebox style downward flange. Cockpit drains are big (1 1/2" dia.). Water tankage is 60 gal in two tanks, which is pretty good for this size fin keel boat.
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Dehler 34R that a good boat, What about a starlight 35??
I personally do not know anything, nor heard of a starlight 35. If it is more of a cruiser, then I do not personally look at specs. Like the caliber mentioned. The Caliber's from what I know are great boats for there style, but I look more at race/cruise to fast cruise/race style boats. I'll also look at a slower race boat, if it has some sort of interior. Mumms/melges type sleds are not in my cards.

Dehler generally speaking has built good boats. But did the equal to a German BK here awhile back, Hanse has taken over. So I would not personally want to quote the how good etc some of the newest dehlers would be built.

O'days, Jeannea, Ranger, Cal to name a few were all part of Bangor Punta back in the 80's, Oday built a few Jeanneau designs, as did Cal. They should all generally speaking be of similar quality, Altho from what I understand, Jeanneau of the bunch I mentioned, was the upper priced boat, have assumed to be the nicer of them. This is not to say that all 4 brands were bad boats, look at GM of old, Chevy, ponitac, olds, Cadallac all different price point vehicles. Similar to Beneteau, Jeanneau and up to a few yrs ago Waiquiez. Same owner, different price points and designs.

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I have a caliber 33 which is basically a scaled down version of the 40 in terms of hull form, keel, skeg, etc. A great boat to cruise in. Not a race boat but no pig either. I have sailed in IP's of the same approximate size and there is no comparison - calibers are faster and far more maneuverable. Build quality is excellent. They are production boats but are not built with liners. Everything is well tabbed and mechanically fastened. I would take this boat anywhere.
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im not realy qualified to comment on this topic but I was moored in Palma a few years ago in my old tired seawolf and the owner of a new 44ft benetau alongside commented that his boat was for show ,mine was a proper little ship. K
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Here's a link to the Starlight 35. Starlight 35 archive details - Yachtsnet Ltd. online UK yacht brokers - yacht brokerage and boat sales
Complete descripton - British boat designed by Stephen Jones.
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So how would you guys divide production boats into general "quality/capability tiers"?

Would it be something like this:

1. Lake/Bay Boats
-O'day
-Macgregor
-Lancer
-Yorktown

2. Coastal Boats
-Catalina
-Hunter
-Beneteau
-Jenneau
-Irwin
-Cal

3. Premium Coastal (Light Blue Water Capable)
-IP
-Caliber
-Ericson
-C&C
-Tartan
-Dehler
-Endeavour
-Gulfstar
-Morgan
-Cheoy Lee
-Pearson

4. Non-Production/High End Blue Water
-Tayana
-Hinckley
-Cabo Rico
-Oyster
-etc.


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