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Re: Production Boats and the Limits

I find it very odd that you have Endeavor's as 'use with caution' and Pearson's as 'premium' blue water.

Been on both (P 365 and E 42 CC), you've got it backward.

Then again, you are calling Morgan's 'premium' and Irwin's 'use with caution', sort of throws the entire accuracy of the list out the window.

Smack, you've got to incorporate size and year built - otherwise the whole idea of quantifying and qualifying boats as BW is frankly BS.
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Re: Production Boats and the Limits

I can't speak for all boats but after the beating we took in a gale storm in our Chrysler 26 and what it went thru all night I wouldn't be affaid to sail it off shore. I also know that someone sailed a Chrysler 22 from San diego to Hawaii and back without major upgrades I vote to take Chrysler of the never lose site of land list.
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Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Smack, you know that all those bow chicks on the buccaneer are in thier sixties and seventies today. Never realized you went for the older, more mature boat bunny… I know that Smack’s list is a beauty contest of sorts and Catalina is universally hated by the East Coast elite, but here is a shot of yours truly surfing down a ten footer, off shore and out of sight from land. Love to see photos of similar action from the other contributors of this thread – especially ones who say I can’t do what is depicted in the picture.

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Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Big deal My 15 year's old daughter is doing that.

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Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Two things. That boat is pretty hard over on it's ear. Not impressed with with the big one footers your are plowing through. If that is the example of your performance cruiser, I'm not impressed. Try again.
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Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Two things. That boat is pretty hard over on it's ear. Not impressed with with the big one footers your are plowing through. If that is the example of your performance cruiser, I'm not impressed. Try again.
on its ear?



well know it is on the other ear

The boat is surfing waves with some lateral component and that introduces a controllable rolling movement. That is not a performance boat and it is doing 9/10K. On your picture the wake of the boat is pretty small. What is the speed?

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Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Paulo, if you hadn’t noticed, we are carrying a string of crab pots on the boat. Yes, we had a reef tucked in. Kind of hate to lose a couple hundred dollars of crabbing gear just for a photo op. We are all proud of our kids. I have some photos at home of a four and five year old doing the same thing.
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I find it very odd that you have Endeavor's as 'use with caution' and Pearson's as 'premium' blue water.

Been on both (P 365 and E 42 CC), you've got it backward.

Then again, you are calling Morgan's 'premium' and Irwin's 'use with caution', sort of throws the entire accuracy of the list out the window.

Smack, you've got to incorporate size and year built - otherwise the whole idea of quantifying and qualifying boats as BW is frankly BS.
A couple of things...

1. This is not really "my" list. It's gleaned from the general discussions I've seen on the various forums for these boats.
2. I honestly don't think it has to be as complicated as size/year/etc. This is a very general list of brands broken into categories that I've seen them placed in over the years by such discussions.

For example, I too have sailed a P365 quite a bit actually. And it sure seems like a very solid boat that could handle pretty much anything. And they've been held out as great, tough boats in discussions. And though I've never sailed the E42 - I've seen people talk about the build quality of Endeavors (in general) as on par with Gulfstars, etc. But I don't recall ever seeing them held out as "premium production boats".

Maybe it would make more sense to move the Pearson to that non-premium category?
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Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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on its ear?



well know it is on the other ear

The boat is surfing waves with some lateral component and that introduces a controllable rolling movement. That is not a performance boat and it is doing 9/10K. On your picture the wake of the boat is pretty small. What is the speed?

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It's hard to take 2D pictures that show waves true size. Two years ago, we were sailing across the toungue of the ocean, from Chub Cay to Nassau and were in some true 15 foot seas, with an occassional 20 foot roller. They crests were really far apart and it was actually a very pleasant sail (and I thought it was fun). The only time I was concerned was entering the west entrance to Nassau with the seas breaking across the entrance. My wife must have taken a hundred pictures of the waves to show people. When we printed them out, they looked like they were about three feet tall. My mother-in-law looked at them and said, I've seen bigger waves than that on the sound.
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Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Smacky,
Take ownership dude, you typed it, it's yours
I've eyeballed Gulfstars, Pearsons, Endeavors, and of course Irwins in my whirlwind tour of mid 80's cruisers before settling on my Irwin as the apex of the price/boat curve (that week, of the samples I saw).

In my un-informed, un-trained, but well read and very observant mind all of this 'class' of boats they generally are built to the same scantlings, thickness of hull, backing plates - all that stuff.
Year of build matters because all of the yards ran into money troubles and tried to cut corners at one point or another. None of them shut down production at the height of quality.
My major difference:
The gulfstar and the pearsons both used particle board for the furniture - and open edged particle board at that.
At the boat show last week I saw IP's with deck pulls in the sole - open edged plywood (not trimmed with teak). Granted you can't see it until you pull the access up.
My Irwin has even those edges trimmed in.
If you go there, where else is it fugly?
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