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Take ownership dude, you typed it, it's yours
I've eyeballed Gulfstars, Pearsons, Endeavors, and of course Irwins in my whirlwind tour of mid 80's cruisers before settling on my Irwin as the apex of the price/boat curve (that week, of the samples I saw).

In my un-informed, un-trained, but well read and very observant mind all of this 'class' of boats they generally are built to the same scantlings, thickness of hull, backing plates - all that stuff.
Year of build matters because all of the yards ran into money troubles and tried to cut corners at one point or another. None of them shut down production at the height of quality.
My major difference:
The gulfstar and the pearsons both used particle board for the furniture - and open edged particle board at that.
At the boat show last week I saw IP's with deck pulls in the sole - open edged plywood (not trimmed with teak). Granted you can't see it until you pull the access up.
My Irwin has even those edges trimmed in.
If you go there, where else is it fugly?
Good point. Now that I own my pimpin' Hunter 40, I'm crawling through every nook and cranny to see what's what. Holy crap do I have a lot to learn about this yacht! But, honestly, thus far it seems to be very well put together in terms of the items you list above.

The only truly crap item I've come across thus far are the counter tops for the shelves in the cabins. Particle board - which has absorbed moisture from condensation on the sidewalls with predictable results. That said, I LOVE the aft cabin. The boys and I just spend the weekend on her and it was seriously awesome! I'm all about the centerline queen.

Yes, we're in love...but I'm in a panic trying to learn everything I can about diesel generators and engines, batteries and electrical components, and instruments.

Sigh.

I'll do a write up soon about "How We Got to Hunter" - detailing everything I read/heard on forums about what to look for in a "real boat" - and why I ignored a lot of it.
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Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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I'll do a write up soon about "How We Got to Hunter" - detailing everything I read/heard on forums about what to look for in a "real boat" - and why I ignored a lot of it.
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I look forward to your story on your pick and why a Hunter.

I have conversations in my marina all the time about why i have Beneteau VS a older "is better" vintage sailboat. I'm a firm believer that french boats are better engineered and better built than most boats of similar vintage. Once people get over the anti-french mentality and i show them the engineering principles involved VS some of the older ideas they start to grasp some things are truly better. The french builders have years and years of experience building boats and the money at there disposal for research.

I'm not saying that the Beneteau is a "best built" voyager. I can think of many newer boats that are better built. (In other countries as well) I am curious though how you came to the conclusion to by a Hunter besides price.
I have gone over the new Hunter 40 extensively and have found it to be years behind the rest of the production boats currently being fielded. (engineering wise) That being said i don't know how yours was built; good or bad.
I think most production boats are built fine for their intended use. I don't think i would want to cross an Ocean in a new Hunter.

I would love to read some HONEST opinions from the designer/architects of the sailboat world. I've read many of Bob Perry's articles/reviews of older boats; these are more honest than most. Have you ever noticed that boat reviews are just gushing about a new boat? They never really address all the issues with some of the new boats. I guess when the boat ads and charter companies are paying your bills your not really going to pi$$ on their wheaties.
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.....Have you ever noticed that boat reviews are just gushing about a new boat? They never really address all the issues with some of the new boats. I guess when the boat ads and charter companies are paying your bills your not really going to pi$$ on their wheaties.
Too true.. the dealers who provided the boats get to proof the articles.. negatives are weeded out, even if they aren't serious, or even if they are the writers' opinion/preference.

That's the nice thing about Practical Sailor, no advertisers' pressures.

By the same token most owners' reviews such as those posted here on SN are rarely truly objective.. I think we all rationalize or ignore things about our own boats that we know aren't perfect and well thought out, at least as long as we still own her.
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Re: Production Boats and the Limits

bene, here is the link to my write-up on this subject:

TSBY_13_02 : BFSshop.com, is the official home of BFS Gear for Big Freakin Sails!

You'll notice I was very close to buying a mid '80s Bene First 375...but chose the '89 H40 in the end. I'm really happy with the choice.

HOWEVER, if we're talking NEW boats, NO WAY would I buy a Hunter these days. They look seriously goofy, IMUSO.



I would buy a Bene First or Oceanis in the 40-45 range. These new Benes are absolutely awesome boats and look great.





But, like I said, for the '80s boats, I think I got a great boat in the H40...fast, super comfy, easy to sail, very solid.

Let me know what you think.
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Nice write up on your choice of boat. We sold our Hunter 37 last fall and bought a Gulfstar 50 ketch. The sail on the ketch you saw is called a mule sail.
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I look forward to your story on your pick and why a Hunter.
After this part I found the rest of your post just a passive lot of designed to praise yourself for you boat choice while insulting others
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After this part I found the rest of your post just a passive lot of designed to praise yourself for you boat choice while insulting others
Jeez, Don... a bit harsh, I'd say.....
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After this part I found the rest of your post just a passive lot of designed to praise yourself for you boat choice while insulting others
Hey, I do a lot of that too. It's fun! (In fact, I just did it above.)

Do you know how difficult it is to be a "Superior Hunter Owner" in today's sailing forums? I LOVE looking down my nose at (and mooning) Wally owners as I pass them. Fools.
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