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Doh! That's not a blue water boat!!! What the hell is it doing in blue water that's turning white and hard?

So a Hunter around the Horn in F11, and a Bavaria running the Northwest Passage?

So where are those limits again Los Traditionalists?
The story is even more impressive because that Bavaria was not a new one, it was a boat that had made all is useful life has a charter boat (5 -6 years) and than was bought cheap, with new sails. Some equipment was added but nothing special.

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I guess you can add this one. It makes more my style of boat than the Bavaria: A First 40.7

(also posted previously on the interesting boat thread):

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.. ... for any form of cruising and there are almost as ways of cruising as there are different sailors, from the ones that only want to make coastal cruising to the ones that occasionally cross oceans till the ones that are almost always crossing oceans.

And even among those different categories you will find the ones that like to be surrounded with all comforts, the ones that enjoy simple life and simple things, the ones that need to carry a lot and don't mind having a slower boat and the ones that travel light and want a light and fast boat. For some, cruising with a lot of stuff is indispensable. The emphasis go with cruising and sailing pleasure is not so important, efficiency and comfort is what counts most. For others, cruising and sailing comes in equal parts and from them an enjoyable and fast boat is indispensable for having pleasure, as much as a boat that can carry a good payload is indispensable for the first.

Well, that is your cruising life style I am quite sure that for crossing the Atlantic I will not need more than 200 liters of water, a watermaker, some 90 liters of fuel and a boat that can really sail well in 6/7K wind. Yes I would need food and personal luggage, but I bet I will carry 1/3 of what you will need. That's just my style and I have found a wife that can live with that.

And if you think I am mad or that is no way to make a passage, nor a fast and light boat is the right one, take a look at this link:

giebateau.web-log.nl: 030 Bestemming Antarctica

I know it is in Dutch, but you can see the pictures (and they are beautiful) if you can not read it. It is about a couple that is travelling extensively:

They left Holland in the boat the skipper finds more adequate for him, a First 40.7. They are now exploring Antarctica. By the way they say that had got 60K winds and that while they were there 6 boats sank (probably true bluewater boats ). They say also that they have not found any particular problem that they could not handle safely.



They are just leaving....for Japan.
http://giebateau.blogspot.pt/p/blog-page.html

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Doh! That's not a blue water boat!!! What the hell is it doing in blue water that's turning white and hard?

So a Hunter around the Horn ...

So where are those limits again Los Traditionalists?
You don't need a big Hunter to do that. You can do it with a much smaller Bavaria 36



Genuino Madruga had circumnavigated solo two times with the same Bavaria 36, one of them by the Horn.



Genuíno Madruga em volta ao Mundo

That's a very interesting character, a fisherman from Azores that started to be envy of the French that passed on the Island on their sailboats. So one day he bought an inexpensive sailboat and went around two times.

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Re: Production Boats and the Limits

In researching more info to use to mock the FKT (Full-Keel Traditionalists) - I found yet another Hunter out there that's tearing it up beyond the sight of shore. This one did the ARC last year and didn't sink...

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Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Also a Hunter 38 in 2012. No Catalinas, but lots of Benes, Jenneaus, and Bavarias (obviously). I'm pretty sure most of them didn't sink.

I'm really starting to think Americans are real scaredy-cats.


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In researching more info to use to mock the FKT (Full-Keel Traditionalists) - I found yet another Hunter out there that's tearing it up beyond the sight of shore. This one did the ARC last year and didn't sink...
That's good news - at least a Hunter hasn't been lost in the ARC recently, at any rate...

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Yeah, it can happen...even to Alden 54s, Catana 47s, Hans Christian 38s, Tartan 4600s...


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Re: Production Boats and the Limits

And here's a Hunter that made it through last year's ill-fated SDR which saw several FKT boats (see above) beat down:





And they even had a bunch of crap hanging off the back of it. Tough boats.


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Yeah, it can happen...even to Alden 54s, Catana 47s, Hans Christian 38s, Tartan 4600s...
Wow, all those boats were abandoned and sunk, as well? Damn, who knew ?

Hmmm, if you're gonna cite examples from last year's SDR, then why no mention of the Catalina that also lost its rudder, or the two ordinary production boats that actually DID sink?

No way to massage the numbers, dude... Given the comparatively tiny number of Hunters who have left Las Palmas with the ARC over the years, the percentage that made it to the finish line ain't very impressive...

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What is the percentage? Seriously, I'm curious.

(PS- All the FKT examples I listed were in range of the USCG - basically "coastal". So they had a lot of help. The Hunter you listed wasn't - I think it was 1200 from St. Lucia? And they had already been under a jury-rigged rudder that subsequently failed?)


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