Production Boats and the Limits - Page 51 - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > Out There > Cruising & Liveaboard Forum
 Not a Member? 


Like Tree348Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #501  
Old 12-21-2013
PCP's Avatar
PCP PCP is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal, West Coast
Posts: 16,191
Thanks: 21
Thanked 100 Times in 83 Posts
Rep Power: 11
PCP will become famous soon enough
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Quote:
Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
Doh! That's not a blue water boat!!! What the hell is it doing in blue water that's turning white and hard?

So a Hunter around the Horn in F11, and a Bavaria running the Northwest Passage?

So where are those limits again Los Traditionalists?
The story is even more impressive because that Bavaria was not a new one, it was a boat that had made all is useful life has a charter boat (5 -6 years) and than was bought cheap, with new sails. Some equipment was added but nothing special.

Regards

Paulo
randyrhines likes this.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #502  
Old 12-21-2013
PCP's Avatar
PCP PCP is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal, West Coast
Posts: 16,191
Thanks: 21
Thanked 100 Times in 83 Posts
Rep Power: 11
PCP will become famous soon enough
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

I guess you can add this one. It makes more my style of boat than the Bavaria: A First 40.7

(also posted previously on the interesting boat thread):

Quote:
Originally Posted by PCP View Post
.. ... for any form of cruising and there are almost as ways of cruising as there are different sailors, from the ones that only want to make coastal cruising to the ones that occasionally cross oceans till the ones that are almost always crossing oceans.

And even among those different categories you will find the ones that like to be surrounded with all comforts, the ones that enjoy simple life and simple things, the ones that need to carry a lot and don't mind having a slower boat and the ones that travel light and want a light and fast boat. For some, cruising with a lot of stuff is indispensable. The emphasis go with cruising and sailing pleasure is not so important, efficiency and comfort is what counts most. For others, cruising and sailing comes in equal parts and from them an enjoyable and fast boat is indispensable for having pleasure, as much as a boat that can carry a good payload is indispensable for the first.

Well, that is your cruising life style I am quite sure that for crossing the Atlantic I will not need more than 200 liters of water, a watermaker, some 90 liters of fuel and a boat that can really sail well in 6/7K wind. Yes I would need food and personal luggage, but I bet I will carry 1/3 of what you will need. That's just my style and I have found a wife that can live with that.

And if you think I am mad or that is no way to make a passage, nor a fast and light boat is the right one, take a look at this link:

giebateau.web-log.nl: 030 Bestemming Antarctica

I know it is in Dutch, but you can see the pictures (and they are beautiful) if you can not read it. It is about a couple that is travelling extensively:

They left Holland in the boat the skipper finds more adequate for him, a First 40.7. They are now exploring Antarctica. By the way they say that had got 60K winds and that while they were there 6 boats sank (probably true bluewater boats ). They say also that they have not found any particular problem that they could not handle safely.



They are just leaving....for Japan.
http://giebateau.blogspot.pt/p/blog-page.html

http://giebateau.blogspot.pt/
Faster likes this.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Last edited by PCP; 12-21-2013 at 10:29 PM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #503  
Old 12-21-2013
PCP's Avatar
PCP PCP is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal, West Coast
Posts: 16,191
Thanks: 21
Thanked 100 Times in 83 Posts
Rep Power: 11
PCP will become famous soon enough
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Quote:
Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
Doh! That's not a blue water boat!!! What the hell is it doing in blue water that's turning white and hard?

So a Hunter around the Horn ...

So where are those limits again Los Traditionalists?
You don't need a big Hunter to do that. You can do it with a much smaller Bavaria 36



Genuino Madruga had circumnavigated solo two times with the same Bavaria 36, one of them by the Horn.



Genuíno Madruga em volta ao Mundo

That's a very interesting character, a fisherman from Azores that started to be envy of the French that passed on the Island on their sailboats. So one day he bought an inexpensive sailboat and went around two times.

Regards

Paulo
Faster, smackdaddy and aeventyr60 like this.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #504  
Old 09-24-2014
smackdaddy's Avatar
Last Man Standing
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 13,535
Thanks: 98
Thanked 98 Times in 92 Posts
Rep Power: 9
smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

In researching more info to use to mock the FKT (Full-Keel Traditionalists) - I found yet another Hunter out there that's tearing it up beyond the sight of shore. This one did the ARC last year and didn't sink...

Dougi



__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

S/V Dawn Treader - 1989 Hunter Legend 40

Last edited by smackdaddy; 09-24-2014 at 06:34 PM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #505  
Old 09-24-2014
smackdaddy's Avatar
Last Man Standing
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 13,535
Thanks: 98
Thanked 98 Times in 92 Posts
Rep Power: 9
smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Also a Hunter 38 in 2012. No Catalinas, but lots of Benes, Jenneaus, and Bavarias (obviously). I'm pretty sure most of them didn't sink.

I'm really starting to think Americans are real scaredy-cats.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

S/V Dawn Treader - 1989 Hunter Legend 40

Last edited by smackdaddy; 09-24-2014 at 06:44 PM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #506  
Old 09-24-2014
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 4,009
Thanks: 0
Thanked 141 Times in 125 Posts
Rep Power: 5
JonEisberg will become famous soon enough
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Quote:
Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
In researching more info to use to mock the FKT (Full-Keel Traditionalists) - I found yet another Hunter out there that's tearing it up beyond the sight of shore. This one did the ARC last year and didn't sink...
That's good news - at least a Hunter hasn't been lost in the ARC recently, at any rate...

:-)

ARC yacht abandoned | Yachting World

Last edited by JonEisberg; 09-24-2014 at 08:02 PM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #507  
Old 09-24-2014
smackdaddy's Avatar
Last Man Standing
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 13,535
Thanks: 98
Thanked 98 Times in 92 Posts
Rep Power: 9
smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Yeah, it can happen...even to Alden 54s, Catana 47s, Hans Christian 38s, Tartan 4600s...
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

S/V Dawn Treader - 1989 Hunter Legend 40
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #508  
Old 09-24-2014
smackdaddy's Avatar
Last Man Standing
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 13,535
Thanks: 98
Thanked 98 Times in 92 Posts
Rep Power: 9
smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

And here's a Hunter that made it through last year's ill-fated SDR which saw several FKT boats (see above) beat down:





And they even had a bunch of crap hanging off the back of it. Tough boats.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

S/V Dawn Treader - 1989 Hunter Legend 40

Last edited by smackdaddy; 09-24-2014 at 08:12 PM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #509  
Old 09-24-2014
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 4,009
Thanks: 0
Thanked 141 Times in 125 Posts
Rep Power: 5
JonEisberg will become famous soon enough
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Quote:
Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
Yeah, it can happen...even to Alden 54s, Catana 47s, Hans Christian 38s, Tartan 4600s...
Wow, all those boats were abandoned and sunk, as well? Damn, who knew ?

Hmmm, if you're gonna cite examples from last year's SDR, then why no mention of the Catalina that also lost its rudder, or the two ordinary production boats that actually DID sink?

No way to massage the numbers, dude... Given the comparatively tiny number of Hunters who have left Las Palmas with the ARC over the years, the percentage that made it to the finish line ain't very impressive...

:-)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #510  
Old 09-24-2014
smackdaddy's Avatar
Last Man Standing
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 13,535
Thanks: 98
Thanked 98 Times in 92 Posts
Rep Power: 9
smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

What is the percentage? Seriously, I'm curious.

(PS- All the FKT examples I listed were in range of the USCG - basically "coastal". So they had a lot of help. The Hunter you listed wasn't - I think it was 1200 from St. Lucia? And they had already been under a jury-rigged rudder that subsequently failed?)
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

S/V Dawn Treader - 1989 Hunter Legend 40

Last edited by smackdaddy; 09-24-2014 at 09:27 PM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:57 AM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.