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Just put in a nice little bookshelf. when your tired of the selection trade out w/ other cruisers. alot of places have book exchanges.
This morning during breakfast I asked my 5 year old if she wanted to watch the TV w/ me. (it's analog and we only wuse it to watch tapes/DVD's) she just made a face and we all laughed ! I won't miss TV much. no content.
The internet is more than adequate and available almost everywhere for free.
I hope you choose cruising, It's a great alternative.
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So here's the Hunter I'm looking at. Needs bottom paint and through-hulls resealed, and there is one delaminated portion of the deck by the chain plate (and being a surfer, I know a thing or two about fixing delamination). I've spoken with Pete (the owner) several times, and he's done a lot of work on the boat, new halyards, new plumbing (though the head still needs one valve installed), newly repaired heat and AC (though a new thermostat is needed), it was hauled in November last year, and needs a new coat of bottom paint. Some things, yes, but little ones. All in all, a solid boat in good shape, and I think a good candidate for living aboard.

If I didn't already post the link to the Kettenburg, here it is. It will need to be hauled and the seal between the lead ballast and the wood keel redone. Not as little, but not as much needs to be done on this boat (so I'm told).

Sadly these boats are in wildly different parts of the country - I'm thinking that I may hire a surveyor to go look at the Kettenburg right off the bat, so I know exactly the condition of the boat before I even come out - if there are more problems that require serious attention (or will soon), I may just abandon her and redouble my search in the Annapolis area. If the boat is otherwise sound, however, I dont' think I'll be able to resist the temptation to own such an amazing and blue-water capable boat (this particular boat has won a transpac).
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Joe,

Trading out books sounds like a nice way to go, and Libraries are always a wonderful thing - we make use of the Beverly Hills library every couple of weeks now, hopefully the Annapolis one will be decent too.

Again, I love reading, but TV and film are my business and my creative medium. I need to be able to view the competition and inspiration in reasonable quality. This is not impossible. There is good TV out there, but you have to sift through a lot of crap to get to the good stuff. Having a DVR is also quite nice, as it allows you to skip commercials. Other good shows are only on paid networks, like HBO's "True Blood" and Showtime's "Dexter". If you don't want these networks, you basically have to pay for a download or buy a blu-ray later on. (unless you have no problems downloading things illegally)
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The Kettenburg is wood isn't it? My fiberglass boat has been enough work I am having a hard time envisioning how much more work a wood boat would be.
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Yeah, wood is definitely more labor intensive, the finish on the hull needs to be polished every year, and any sort of bad spots in the paint need to be fixed as soon as they're apparent. Leaks in the hull happen, and repairing them is generally an out-of-water recaulking job, but that typically doesn't need to happen often. This particular boat was dry-hauled last year and taken down to the wood, and repainted after a close inspection by a (I hear) good surveyor. Unfortunately, the seal between the lead ballast and the wood keel was done using a 3M product that hardens and shrinks. It was then patched a little bit with some underwater putty, but it still leaks. I'll have to reseal this bit with a dry-haul and some proper caulk before doing anything serious with the boat, I imagine.

Wood boats that are badly neglected end up leaking all over, and those are the ones you hear horror stories about. Ones that have been well taken care of do still sometimes have problems, but it's usually not a nightmare (so I'm reading). Wood DECKS are one of those things that are constantly a problem, and I must say, even though they're pretty, I'm glad the Ket has fiberglass decking, and is not prone to leaks.
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svartsvensk, you need to give us a real name that is a mouth full to type

second it looks like your price range based on what you posted is 20 k, you might want to look at the irwin 37 cetner cockpit. i know you said something about CC's but for family liveaboard they look great for privacy reasons. they have a great lay out, i really like them, when/if i go bigger i will be looking closer at them

here is a link that has some 37 CC on it

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svartsvensk,

We live aboard in Annapolis with our son and until last fall out 50-pound mutt as well (he died at age 15). I am also in the tv biz (but decided to go without one on board for the sake of our son). Sounds like we'd have a lot to talk about and I'd be happy to answer any questions for you or your wife about raising a family aboard in this area. Click on my blog link below to see how "normal" and lovely life aboard with a kid can be.
Hope to see you out here!
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svartsvensk, you need to give us a real name that is a mouth full to type

second it looks like your price range based on what you posted is 20 k, you might want to look at the irwin 37 cetner cockpit. i know you said something about CC's but for family liveaboard they look great for privacy reasons. they have a great lay out, i really like them, when/if i go bigger i will be looking closer at them

here is a link that has some 37 CC on it

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Be careful with teh Irwins. Many had delamination issues. We have one in our yard right now that is being peeled and half way into it they found voids that basically made the repair undoable (at least from a cost point of view). This is not true of all Irwins. Also, the Irwin (and sorry, in my opinio nthe Kett's) are coastal boats. That is not a bad thing, but probably not the boat to circle the globe in.

Here is a bot if you can come up with the cash:

1981 Islander Freeport Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

Not a true go around the world boat, but built like a tank. There is another in our marina somewhat similar. This particual boat is maybe 6 slips down from me. If you can come up with just a bit more cash, I mught suggest it. I can take a look at it for you. I do not know the owner of this boat.

There is also another called a Downeast in our marina (2 of them actually) and if I am not mistaken, they were made by Valiant (at their location). THey are well built and hardy boats. Full Keels. I know the owner of one of them and it is magnificently cared for.

Here is one: Cedar Mills Marina & Resort (Gordonville, TX)

Here is the second (the one I know):

Cedar Mills Marina & Resort (Gordonville, TX)

Being that they are fresh water boats, they will cost more but you will find they are in much better shape than a similar boat in salt. I can pesonally vouch for the second DownEast.

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What about the Kettenburg makes you classify it as a CC, Brian? By all accounts I've read, a great many of them have crossed oceans (including the one in Florida for sale), and the hulls are very strong and sound. I know they have sailing characteristics not perfect for blue-water voyaging and require more tending of helm and sails than full-keel blue-water boats, but again, shouldn't hull-strength be a more important factor in oceanic voyaging than sailing qualities? Also, CD, where is that surveyor located in Florida? West Coast or East coast? It's possible that the owner of the Ket will be sailing it to the West Coast where he lives to make showing it easier - I may just shell out for the survey on the gamble that all will be well before I actually go out there, since there are not a lot of other boats I'd want to sail up from Florida.

Those are some very nice boats you guys linked me to, but I'm afraid they are all well out of my price-range. I don't want to take on a multi-year loan for a boat, and I certainly don't want to buy anything that far from depreciation. The Kett should hold value fairly well if I keep it in good shape, which I'll essentially HAVE to do, since it'd be my home (again, not SET on buying it, but leaning towards it).

Cindy,

Thanks for your post! My wife and I have been poking around your blog, actually, it's a great one, and full of ideas for us and our son. I'm sure we'll be contacting you sooner or later with a myriad of questions about the areas, marinas, commutes, and more!

Thanks again!

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Kris,


Guess we should stop trying to talk you out of it, I just would hate to see you say "my wife could not put up with the dampness..." or the work or what ever. If I was made of money and could afford to have several boats and have a full time person to work on them I might have a wood boat, They sure are beautiful. Just not practical.

The biggest issue with the Kettenburg is going to be resale, and you will want to sell it to get away from the wooden boat maintenance. You may be able to get the same amount of money for it IF you maintain it to better than now standards IF you can find a buyer IF IF IF... Wood boats are very hard to sell, and many perfectly good boats get cut up because the owner is sick of maintaining it and cant find a buyer. Remember, too your talking about double the expense of maintaining a plastic boat. Many yards will be hesitant to even haul a wooden boat for fear of it being abandoned.

I know you seem dead set on a wood boat, I would say find a plastic for now, and in a few years that wood boat will likely still be for sale and get it after a few years of living on a fiberglass boat. You make it seem like you are going to be able to fix the leak, I doubt it. Not that I doubt your skills, but I doubt it can be fixed. Every wooden boat that is more than 15 years old leaks. (some would say 15 hours old) The only way I would touch a wooden boat is if I made it myself, or knew who made it and it was less than 10 years old, unless I decided I wanted to work on it more than be on it.

A fiberglass boat will not need to be hauled out every year, if you have good bottom paint you will get a few seasons out of it. Remember the entire time your out of the water your family will be in a hotel. Polishing and repainting a wooden boat will take a lot longer than a glass one and will need to be done every year.

Remember resale value is useless if you can't find some one to buy it!

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