So who packs a weapon on board?

[chall03]

Originally Posted by jerryrlitton

I really cannot find a better definition of apathy.
Jerry

Because I was born in a different country to you, raised differently with different beliefs, you feel I am apathetic towards an issue that is basically a domestic US affair?

Well I really cannot find a better definition of arrogance.

Now If your definition of apathy is not caring, then yes I think I made it quite clear that personally I don't care about having a 'right to bear arms' .
Why? Because I just don't want a gun! Most people in Australia don't , we don't think about them, we don't talk about them, and we don't protest over them.

I also wouldn't care if my government banned poker-dot dresses car seat covers, cause once again I and most people here don't have them and don't want them.

My point is again THAT OUR CULTURE IS DIFFERENT

[erps]

I dont care as long as you stop shoving it down my throat.

who are the ones shoving something down another's throat?

a person who makes choices for himself but doesn't push it on anyone else,

or a person who makes choices for themselves and then pushes those choices on others?

[chall03]

ERPS, Damn you must have the Internet censorship link bookmarked!
I do care about that issue a great deal. Alot of people here do and therefore I can't see it getting through parliament.

Hey I never said my country was perfect.

Incidentally I never said I had a problem either with your 2nd amendment. In the context of the US, your bill of rights, how your country was established, and a general 'gun awareness' amongst the average joe. I understand and appreciate it.

Australia however is a very different country.

[erps]

I also wouldn't care if my government banned poker-dot dresses car seat covers, cause once again I and most people here don't have them and don't want them.

what happens when they want to start banning something you do want?

[knothead]

Originally Posted by St Anna

I dont care as long as you stop shoving it down my throat.

How can you possibly feel as though anyone is shoving anything down anyone's throat when you, personally and of your own free will, choose to log on, select and read with your own presumably self motivated eyes something that is typed on an internet message board?

I like you St. Anna but get real.

[erps]

Hey I never said my country was perfect.

Incidentally I never said I had a problem either with your 2nd amendment. In the context of the US, your bill of rights, how your country was established, and a general 'gun awareness' amongst the average joe. I understand and appreciate it.

Australia however is a very different country.

Chall, I respect that. I wouldn't have had even jumped back in this if you had said that "we voted a ban on guns here and I really don't care, because I really don't care for guns." The fact is that you have citizens in your country that did care and still do.

[chall03]

Originally Posted by erps

Chall, I respect that. I wouldn't have had even jumped back in this if you had said that "we voted a ban on guns here and I really don't care, because I really don't care for guns." The fact is that you have citizens in your country that did care and still do.

Sure, but even in the US minorities lose out to the majority consensus, that unfortunately is a by product of democracy....No one has absolute freedoms....sadly.

We have same sex couple's here and in the US(well most parts) that care about getting married, both our countries have denied them that right as well...we have people here who also wish to recreationally use Marijuana as part of their lifestyle and we deny them that right, as do I believe most states in the US....

My point is that yes ok there are some here who do care about gun ownership, they however are here very much the overwhelming minority and compared to the debate over there the whole issue here is a major non event.....

[erps]

Yeah mate. We've talked in the past - stop bagging Ozzies when the thread is about carrying weapons on a yacht.

I was offering a counterpoint made by one of your mates. Ozzyland was brought in by another, not by me.

[chall03]

Yeah guilty as charged. I need to stop reading this thread I think.

Originally Posted by knothead

How can you possibly feel as though anyone is shoving anything down anyone's throat when you, personally and of your own free will, choose to log on, select and read with your own presumably self motivated eyes something that is typed on an internet message board?

I like you St. Anna but get real.

I think the shoving down the throat St Anna was referring to was in context of some posts above, St Anna was perhaps suggesting American ideas and philosophies were being shoved down Australia's throat.....

[erps]

My point is that yes ok there are some here who do care about gun ownership, they however are here very much the overwhelming minority and compared to the debate over there the whole issue here is a major non event.....

I understand that point and I would suggest that it depends on whose shoes you're standing in when deciding whether it is a non-event or not. And for what it's worth, I've observed that in our past conversations on this that you've exhibited an ability to empathize with others and I appreciate that.