So who packs a weapon on board?

[wind_magic]

You are right I would have problems hitting a can at much shorter distances too.

[jerryrlitton]

Originally Posted by chall03

Because I was born in a different country to you, raised differently with different beliefs, you feel I am apathetic towards an issue that is basically a domestic US affair?

Well I really cannot find a better definition of arrogance.



My point is again THAT OUR CULTURE IS DIFFERENT

Actually I was born in the UK.
I spent 6 months working in Oz (mostly in NT) and found that most of you all have the same some concerns and gripes we have in the US. As a whole we are not that much different.

Jerry

[chall03]

Look on that Jerry I don't agree.

Perhaps I should clarify, That when I say our cultures are different I mean that as societies on the whole, you will find when it comes to the arms discussion specifically there is a gaping chasm in terms of ideals and yes also apathy between Australia and the US.

The NT is a great place, I hope you had a ball while you were over here.

Now I have been posting on this thread now for 7 months. Prior to this thread I have gone more than a round or two on this issue here already, It has been an interesting discussion folks, but I reckon i'm done.

Truth be told I am more into rum than guns.

If you do want to discuss anything further with me feel free to PM.

[lancelot9898]

Originally Posted by seafrontiersman

This might be of some service to people who have already decided to carry...Taurus makes a revolver called "the Judge" which is stainless steel, chambers .41 magnum and .410 shotgun rounds. This seems like a really good option for sailors because of the buckshot option.

My Chief Mate bought one and he loves it....I've been a good boy this year and Santa might just bring me one for Xmas!

How long has he had the gun and how well is it holding up under that sort of firepower and enviroment? As a kid I had a 410 shorgun which doesn't have much kick, but in a pistol I think it might be pretty substantial. Just like to hear more about his experieince in using it. I also understand that you can alternate the loading of the chambers. I'm also not sure if the 410 gage has much stopping power.....but then the other round makes that a moot point.

[jerryrlitton]

I daresay rum is a little more civilized than beating on each other. I did have a ball there thank you. I also spent a little time in Melbourne and did some flights out of Geraldton (did I spell that correctly?) on the west coast. Great bunch of people all over. I also flew a helo across the Simpson desert and stopped at Alice Springs. Those of us who have never been there have no idea how large Oz really is. I will drink to you on that one.
Jerry

[SSBN506]

I personally think the biggest problem with SUM pro gun people is the way they present the argument. When you start off by saying people who don’t have guns or countries who don’t allow guns are not free or are sheep like the very first post you are off to a bad start. There are 4 types of people on most issues. People for it, against it, just don’t care and on the fence. If you start with what I would consider an insult people will go on the defensive.
If for example you start off by saying”I know everyone is not as smart as me because I have a university degree and my opinion on animal rights is ….” I automatically put most people on the defensive and the will probable fight with me on whatever you stance is because I insulated them.
When you say “not all countries are as free as mine and I don’t want to be a sheep and my opinion on gun control is ….” All the people who don’t care one way or the other will turn on you. You won’t change any minds with that statement and in the marketplace of ideas that should be your objective.
If I were to ask the question the first post asked I would ask like this. I personally carry a gun and have always felt better carrying one. I carry a …. What do other boaters who carry have? I don’t think this post would go so nuts.
I know I am beating a dead dog but this one will apply to Americans. In Canada we are lucky to have more freedom then sum countries and can travel to Cuba. What is your favorite resort on Cuba for those of you who don’t allow you government to oppress your right to travel. Again this is a very insulting way to talk and is more a shoot and Americans and not a honest question.

Now you can’t stop people from posting like this but a pro gun person I wouldn’t think reinforcing this type of talk will help the cause.

[Architeuthis]

Originally Posted by SSBN506

In Canada we are lucky to have more freedom then sum countries and can travel to Cuba. What is your favorite resort on Cuba for those of you who don’t allow you government to oppress your right to travel. Again this is a very insulting way to talk and is more a shoot and Americans and not a honest question.

Now you can’t stop people from posting like this but a pro gun person I wouldn’t think reinforcing this type of talk will help the cause.

Many pro-gun people are also emotional about it and express their feeling emotionally. Rational discussions about firearms are rare in part because of this but mainly due to the fact that there are so many other much more dangerous things that restricting them, and not other items, always comes down to emotion and emotion is insulting.

It must also be rather individual as I fail to see why your question, even stated as it was, would be insulting. Canada does have more freedom of movement and travel than the U.S. and Canada does not restrict Canadians travel with re-entry requirements. Pointing out that another country oppresses their citizens by restricting their travel, with exit or entry visas or passports while asking about a country subject to such restrictions should not be insulting.

Edit: Would you be insulted if someone asked a similar question about carry laws for handguns?

[SSBN506]

Originally Posted by Architeuthis

It must also be rather individual as I fail to see why your question, even stated as it was, would be insulting.

It may not be insulting to many people but my thinking would be If you want to change minds of the neutrals you wouldn't want to sound insulting. I think the problem could also be may pro gun people are trying to give the anti gun people a shot in the arm with more aggressive statement. My question is when trying the change the mind or the fare left do you freak out the people who are not far left. They are the people who would be much easier to sway.

Even if someone is out right wrong about something attacking them will not only hinder them changing there mind it will probably make them dig in deeper just to fight you. I am not saying anyone is doing this in this forum I just always thought the PR of the pro gun people was flawed.

If all the pro gun people are calling you not free and sheep and saying they want guns to stop the government from doing what it wants it makes them kind of sound like a nut and not a club I want to be part of.

I don't think you have to have a reason to own a gun beyond i want one i am aloud to have one and here is my license proving i am responsible. The marketplace of ideas will take care of the limits and both sides should fight for their ideas. I have just always questioned the strategy of the pro gun lobbies and thought they were shooting themselves in the foot. lol

[SSBN506]

Originally Posted by Architeuthis

Edit: Would you be insulted if someone asked a similar question about carry laws for handguns?

I am not insulted by those types of questions i just don't take the ideas of the people who make all the seriously. I will still take that person seriously just not that idea because as you stated they are talking on emotion. If that someone is trying to sway me they will probably fail as i am not fare left or far right on gun control. I will not lobby for more or less gun control in Canada at this time as both sides taken to their extremes are unappealing to me.

I would be willing to join ether side depending how far they try to push. I am not for an ought right ban but am also not for removing all restrictions on gun ownership.

I do think in my opinion Canada was slipping to far to the anti gun side but it is sliding back just a bit. but i don't want it sliding to far to one side or the other.

[erps]

I will still take that person seriously just not that idea because as you stated they are talking on emotion.

I will not lobby for more or less gun control in Canada at this time as both sides taken to their extremes are unappealing to me.

Unappealing? That sounds like an emotional response, doesn't it?