So who packs a weapon on board?

[jerryrlitton]

Originally Posted by chall03

Because I was born in a different country to you, raised differently with different beliefs, you feel I am apathetic towards an issue that is basically a domestic US affair?

Well I really cannot find a better definition of arrogance.

Now If your definition of apathy is not caring, then yes I think I made it quite clear that personally I don't care about having a 'right to bear arms' .
Why? Because I just don't want a gun! Most people in Australia don't , we don't think about them, we don't talk about them, and we don't protest over them.

I also wouldn't care if my government banned poker-dot dresses car seat covers, cause once again I and most people here don't have them and don't want them.

My point is again THAT OUR CULTURE IS DIFFERENT

Here is a message from UK and Australia. Check this out...

YouTube - USA NEXT FOR GUN CONFISCATION??? TAKE THEIR ADVICE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Superpickle]

Originally Posted by chall03

Because I was born in a different country to you, raised differently with different beliefs, you feel I am apathetic towards an issue that is basically a domestic US affair?

Well I really cannot find a better definition of arrogance.

Now If your definition of apathy is not caring, then yes I think I made it quite clear that personally I don't care about having a 'right to bear arms' .
Why? Because I just don't want a gun! Most people in Australia don't , we don't think about them, we don't talk about them, and we don't protest over them.

I also wouldn't care if my government banned poker-dot dresses car seat covers, cause once again I and most people here don't have them and don't want them.

My point is again THAT OUR CULTURE IS DIFFERENT

Very very Dangerous attitude and , i might add, "Apathetic"
"Its not My stuff they are Banning, So, I dont CARE"

Wait till they want to mess with something YOU want to have.. Like a Freedom or two.. that is IF you have any left, by that time..


You have a Very Liberal Attitude and its NOT what we want HERE..
If you are happy with it , and it seems you are, Fine !

I tell ya, I am More than willing to take up Arms to Fight for Every Last Freedom we have. Against the Government of THIS country , if Nessasary, and More than willing to KILL for it as well.. Thats "NOT", Apathy !

I think most of the Countrys that have a Liberal Government have Already Dis-Armed its people, so theres No sence in fighting , you have no means to do so..it was Given away Long ago..

I for one, am NOT willing to Roll over and play Dead and get it in the End by ANY Government..

[seafrontiersman]

Originally Posted by lancelot9898

How long has he had the gun and how well is it holding up under that sort of firepower and enviroment? As a kid I had a 410 shorgun which doesn't have much kick, but in a pistol I think it might be pretty substantial. Just like to hear more about his experieince in using it. I also understand that you can alternate the loading of the chambers. I'm also not sure if the 410 gage has much stopping power.....but then the other round makes that a moot point.

The weapon has about as much recoil as a Ruger Blackhawk .44 magnum which is pretty managable even in my rather small hands and sounds like the crack of doom, it also has a big muzzle flash. The Mate has had it soaked in fresh and salt water on several occasions and he states that it's still in pristine condition. The weapon is stainless and rubber (Pachmyer grips I think) so there isin't much to break/rust. I think buckshot in a .410 at 10 feet or so would be more than effective against bad guys.

[Architeuthis]

Originally Posted by Superpickle

I tell ya, I am More than willing to take up Arms to Fight for Every Last Freedom we have.

You have a last freedom? It isn't from the government or police. I've just spent a year in the US and I love Americans but cry at what they've lost.

Americans live in a police state and it isn't just that every trip on an interstate is recorded by the government, it is the shear number of police and enforcement agencies that are out there monitoring them, I mean you.

Seriously it is too late to save your freedoms it is time to take some back. I counted no less than half dozen enforcement, police, agencies in one port I was in. Each one of them had the full black and white police boat, firearms up the wazoo, and I swear that flak jackets must be a fashion statement because every person with a set of flashing lights wears them.

We literally never made a trip into town without seeing at least one, normally many, police cars, some county, some city, some state, some federal and those are just the ones with colors and lights.

How is it you got to this point without ever taking up arms to stop it, or at least bitching about it (our fav method)?

[Petar]

Originally Posted by docrn

I have allways been an advocate of the 2nd ammendment and believe in the right to personal protection. Of course depending upon where you are cruising having a weapon on board may be more trouble than it is worth (unfortunately) in countries where freedom and the rights of private citizens mean nothing to thier governments.

I personally like the idea of having a weapon on board for personal defense so I have a stainless .38 (usefull for dipatching large halibut) and an 870 Marine magnum (usefull for dipatching 2 legged predators). The 870 will also come in handy for the trip to AK I plan to take sometime in the future. In fact I have had someone go as far as climb on board my boat and open the companionway hatch at which point I made it clear if they didn't leave now they never would.

Anyway, this is more of a "I wonder who else packs" type of question than an attempt to impose my personal/political views. I strongly believe that those who are uncomfortable or incapable of safely handling weapons should not have anything to do with them untill someone has schooled them on safe handling anyway.

So who's packing what?

Sailing is about enjoyment and not warfare. If you like warfare, sail to Iraq or Somalia. leave rest of us in peace and tranquility.

[Architeuthis]

Originally Posted by SSBN506

..... Even if someone is out right wrong about something attacking them will not only hinder them changing there mind it will probably make them dig in deeper just to fight you. ..

This is true I've seen it myself on issues where I not only knew they were wrong but could show they had the basic science and facts wrong. Attacking them just made them put their hands over their ears and say LALALALALA.

As for the guns to fight the government, I can't see it myself. Guns are no longer the best weapon. East Germany and Soviet Russia fell without guns and they were the biggest baddest SOBs on the block.

But, as I suspect you would agree, guns are needed to defend against many other threats. Of course some of those are people but not always. I've traveled quite a bit in polar bear country. Once while ski-dooing near Churchill we stopped for lunch. We were close to but not yet in the polar bear denning area. After setting up a little camp and getting a fire going I mentioned that we were getting pretty close to the polar bears. I felt pretty far away from the shotgun on the ski-doo. The guy I was with agreed and then showed me a handgun he was carrying in a pocket of his parka.

Whoa der, totally illegal, not allowed! It was not even registered just incase it got lost. If it was found by the police would mean years in jail but the owner explained to be that it was better than being too far away from the shotgun as you often are when spending lots of time in certian areas.

It turns out that lots of otherwise very law abidding people carry illegal guns because they would rather be alive than dead right and that IMO isn't right.

But of course such discussions are not possible if the other person has been so insulted they cannot reason.

[Architeuthis]

Originally Posted by Petar

Sailing is about enjoyment and not warfare.

A gun is a tool, the #1 warfare weapon is the media. Do you ban such communication on your boat? (maybe you do, good on ya but that trip does not sound like fun to me)

[chall03]

Originally Posted by Superpickle

Very very Dangerous attitude and , i might add, "Apathetic"
"Its not My stuff they are Banning, So, I dont CARE"

Wait till they want to mess with something YOU want to have.. Like a Freedom or two.. that is IF you have any left, by that time..


You have a Very Liberal Attitude and its NOT what we want HERE..
If you are happy with it , and it seems you are, Fine !

I tell ya, I am More than willing to take up Arms to Fight for Every Last Freedom we have. Against the Government of THIS country , if Nessasary, and More than willing to KILL for it as well.. Thats "NOT", Apathy !

I think most of the Countrys that have a Liberal Government have Already Dis-Armed its people, so theres No sence in fighting , you have no means to do so..it was Given away Long ago..

I for one, am NOT willing to Roll over and play Dead and get it in the End by ANY Government..

Yawn.

Firstly,
If you bothered to read the thread You would find that ERPS has already picked me up on my 'I don't care' statement oh about 30 posts ago.... Jerry about 20 posts ago....and Windy a couple of times in the middle.

Secondly
I have explained and clarified my post about 28 posts ago....

Thirdly,
About 5 posts ago I expressed my desire to no longer participate in this thread and so would appreciate it if you would therefore all stop quoting me.

PARTICULARLY IN RED. In future I would prefer Blue

Fourthly,
It is extremist fundamentalists like you Superpickle, who make me very glad my country controls who or who doesn't get to carry a weapon.

Fifthly,
I readily admit that when dealing with this issue for me emotion certainly plays a role. Therefore this will definitely be my absolute LAST post here. This thread is in the General Interest/Cruising Living aboard forum. There are folk here who wish to simply discuss what they carry on board. This discussion and my presence here is only going to compromise this thread further.

[wind_magic]

Originally Posted by chall03

Thirdly,
About 5 posts ago I expressed my desire to no longer participate in this thread and so would appreciate it if you would therefore all stop quoting me.

Particularly in Red. In future I would prefer Blue.

You can unsubscribe from the thread and then you won't see any more responses, I've done that a few times on threads I just got sick of seeing.

[chall03]

Thanks Windy I might try that.........

damn I just posted again didn't I??