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docrn 08-03-2009 03:32 AM

So who packs a weapon on board?
 
I have allways been an advocate of the 2nd ammendment and believe in the right to personal protection. Of course depending upon where you are cruising having a weapon on board may be more trouble than it is worth (unfortunately) in countries where freedom and the rights of private citizens mean nothing to thier governments.

I personally like the idea of having a weapon on board for personal defense so I have a stainless .38 (usefull for dipatching large halibut) and an 870 Marine magnum (usefull for dipatching 2 legged predators). The 870 will also come in handy for the trip to AK I plan to take sometime in the future. In fact I have had someone go as far as climb on board my boat and open the companionway hatch at which point I made it clear if they didn't leave now they never would.

Anyway, this is more of a "I wonder who else packs" type of question than an attempt to impose my personal/political views. I strongly believe that those who are uncomfortable or incapable of safely handling weapons should not have anything to do with them untill someone has schooled them on safe handling anyway.

So who's packing what?

peptobysmol 08-03-2009 05:35 AM

I'd bring some heat as well.

painkiller 08-03-2009 08:32 AM

Oh, boy. Here we go again...

Wookie1974 08-03-2009 08:59 AM

Well - I know what you'll say about this, (obvious from your statements) but carrying a weapon MAY keep people from stealing your extra boxes of corn-flakes (upon pain of death - GULP!), but it MAY get you locked up by the (legitamate) authorities in most countries in Europe (and probably the world, but who's counting,) in addition your cries of "give me liberty or give me death!" while awaiting sentencing in the brig WILL NOT be viewed favorably by the local populations - whom are not the "huddled masses yearning to breathe free" you envision them to be.
The whole second amendment thing is an anathema to most of the world, and the attitude of Gun-Toting-Americans is either viewed as frieghtening, or laughable, usually both.
The fact is - people in other countries don't WANT everyone to own guns. (Read: THEY...not their governments, whom are democratically elected in elections arguably freeer than our own.) If people at the marina in Corsica find out you're packing, they will avoid you, probably report you and will view you as a nutty criminal, not a patriot.
The continuing gun-debate in the US is an American issue. When visiting OTHER countries, it is US who impose on THEM when we disrespect their laws. So - if you go somewhere where a gun in private ownership is illegal, or you do not have the permits to carry it - then please leave it at home.

And before you think I'm an anti-gun zealot, recognize that I do own guns (which I left at home in SC when I moved here) , and I do think people should be allowed to own them. I just don't care for the emotion, politics, and hollywood theatrics of the modern American disscussion surrounding them.

painkiller 08-03-2009 09:07 AM

Before you guys go too far on this thread, you should probably search for the several other gun threads that already exist and read them thoroughly end to end. Most points have already been made, many insults have been thrown, and at least one person has been asked to stop contributing to the forum.

So tread lightly.

smackdaddy 08-03-2009 09:11 AM

Didn't someone get shot too?

imagine2frolic 08-03-2009 09:13 AM

Come on Pain, Let's sit back, and watch people beat their heads against the wall. AGAIN!..hahahahahahahahaha.......i2f

JohnRPollard 08-03-2009 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painkiller (Post 510640)
Before you guys go too far on this thread, you should probably search for the several other gun threads that already exist and read them thoroughly end to end. Most points have already been made, many insults have been thrown, and at least one person has been asked to stop contributing to the forum.

So tread lightly.

Very true (although to my knowledge no one was asked to leave).

So I agree, let's not turn this into a 2nd amendment debate.

The only thing I'll add is that there ARE places in Alaska and Canada where it would be foolish to venture ashore WITHOUT a gun. A lot of folks who limit their travels to "civilization" don't seem to realize this.

chall03 08-03-2009 09:29 AM

Oh dear. Here we go. I should know better........I should walk away......but......

Quote:

Originally Posted by docrn (Post 510593)
Anyway, this is more of a "I wonder who else packs" type of question than an attempt to impose my personal/political views.

Oh really didn't you open your post with this??

Quote:

Originally Posted by docrn (Post 510593)
Of course depending upon where you are cruising having a weapon on board may be more trouble than it is worth (unfortunately) in countries where freedom and the rights of private citizens mean nothing to thier governments.

I am a citizen of one of those 'countries'. You may of heard of us......we have the Kangaroos and the BBQ shrimp - although people often get us confused with Austria. Now please don't presume to speak on behalf of our freedoms and rights, because for what it is worth the vast majority of our citizens are very happy with Australia's stance on firearms.

nk235 08-03-2009 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wookie1974 (Post 510636)
Well - I know what you'll say about this, (obvious from your statements) but carrying a weapon MAY keep people from stealing your extra boxes of corn-flakes (upon pain of death - GULP!), but it MAY get you locked up by the (legitamate) authorities in most countries in Europe (and probably the world, but who's counting,) in addition your cries of "give me liberty or give me death!" while awaiting sentencing in the brig WILL NOT be viewed favorably by the local populations - whom are not the "huddled masses yearning to breathe free" you envision them to be.
The whole second amendment thing is an anathema to most of the world, and the attitude of Gun-Toting-Americans is either viewed as frieghtening, or laughable, usually both.
The fact is - people in other countries don't WANT everyone to own guns. (Read: THEY...not their governments, whom are democratically elected in elections arguably freeer than our own.) If people at the marina in Corsica find out you're packing, they will avoid you, probably report you and will view you as a nutty criminal, not a patriot.
The continuing gun-debate in the US is an American issue. When visiting OTHER countries, it is US who impose on THEM when we disrespect their laws. So - if you go somewhere where a gun in private ownership is illegal, or you do not have the permits to carry it - then please leave it at home.

And before you think I'm an anti-gun zealot, recognize that I do own guns (which I left at home in SC when I moved here) , and I do think people should be allowed to own them. I just don't care for the emotion, politics, and hollywood theatrics of the modern American disscussion surrounding them.

I have been on sailnet a long time as well as other forums know all about the other gun threads...however for once wouldn't it just be nice if someone could just reply to what the man asked? He simply asked to respond if you carried a gun aboard or not and specifically said did not want to discuss the politics of it. If he wanted to hear someone's opinion on views of America, Europeans (and I guess your qualified to speak for all of Europe and especially the entire marina of Corsica?), other countries laws, and your personal opinions on the subject, or why you moved where, he could have just sat back and read the hundreds of the posts on the threads that have been started to discuss the politics of it. So please do us a favor and chime out.

A simple no I do not carry guns on board would have sufficed.

I own a rifle but I do not carry it on board for myself.


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