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freelittlewing 09-09-2009 04:07 AM

Transit log, regulations and costs around the globe
 
Hello... I've done some search regarding these issues but I couldn't get much higher.
As a free spirit I think I should be able to sail around as I wish with no custom regulations.( like pirates)
But I've found that, countries like Turkey and Greece charge transit log as soon as you enter their coast.
On the other hand I've read that If you put the quarantine flag on, you can stop by a cove and spend a night or few days without stepping on the land and then move on.
My question is : Can I simply take a boat ( something around 7 mt long, 9.9 hp engine catamaran with sail) and sail by the shore of the countries with out any cost ? any decleration ?( I have issues with demanding authorities)
And can I make a quick stop and grab some fuel, water, vital stuff and swim back to boat ?
Is this possible around Med or Indian Ocean or Australia and Pacific and Atlantic ?

I hope you got the picture. Thank you very very much.

freedom

JohnRPollard 09-09-2009 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by freelittlewing (Post 520867)
Hello... I've done some search regarding these issues but I couldn't get much higher.
As a free spirit I think I should be able to sail around as I wish with no custom regulations.( like pirates)
But I've found that, countries like Turkey and Greece charge transit log as soon as you enter their coast.
On the other hand I've read that If you put the quarantine flag on, you can stop by a cove and spend a night or few days without stepping on the land and then move on.
My question is : Can I simply take a boat ( something around 7 mt long, 9.9 hp engine catamaran with sail) and sail by the shore of the countries with out any cost ? any decleration ?( I have issues with demanding authorities)
And can I make a quick stop and grab some fuel, water, vital stuff and swim back to boat ?
Is this possible around Med or Indian Ocean or Australia and Pacific and Atlantic ?

I hope you got the picture. Thank you very very much.

freedom

Hoisting the Q flag is an internationally recognized request for customs officials to come aboard, inspect your vessel, and grant you free pratique (permission to go ashore). So if you are trying to avoid contact with officialdom, that would seem counter productive.

Is your plan possible? Well, do you feel lucky? Odds are that if you pursue this plan over a period of time, you will eventually get caught, sooner than later. Most likely when the local coast guard boards your boat for inspection and discovers that you have not cleared customs.

Before you depart, be sure to get a competent attorney on retainer and pay him in advance. Also, if Turkey is on your itinerary, you should watch the movie Midnight Express before you go.:D

In other words, don't try it.;)

Zanshin 09-09-2009 11:36 AM

Look up "right of innocent passage" to get an idea of what is nominally allowed regardnig international passage. Many countries will say that once you make fast via a mooring, anchor or to a dock you have entered their country and thus need to go through customs and immigration (and perhaps health). If you just pass through a country's waters you will be within the law, but be prepared to be able to prove your intentions (passing through without landing) as well as your past travels. Note also that in order to clear into a country they will require your check-out papers from the last country, and you better be able to explain the times between. I met one person this summer in the Caribbean who believed (firmly, with much emotion) that he shouldn't need to check in anywhere because the $10 or $20 fee is unreasonable. Well, he's now no longer to enter territorial waters of 3 island countries (St. Maarten, St. Barts, Antigua) that I know of and I am sure that his name and boat are flagged for most of the other Caribbean islands so that when he does check in somewhere he is going to have issues.

That having been said, I have hoisted the Q-Flag and anchored overnight in St. Kitts and Nevis while traversing from Antigua to St. Martin and didn't check in; but I could have explained it as necessary (tired, bad weather) and made sure to not go ashore. But that is more of an exception than a rule.
I once sailed from Antigua (cleared out there) to Martinique but got a call there before I checked in and sailed back to Antigua and spent much of an afternoon explaining why my last checkout port was English Harbour and I was checking back into English Harbour 3 days later...

See Right of Innocent Passage

Wiley1 09-09-2009 02:58 PM

My personal opinion that usless you are typing to get first hand material for a movie or book dealing with the inside of some foreign jails this is not a good plan. When cruising foreign waters one is the "guest" of the country whose waters one is sailing. And as a "guest" you are subject to the laws and rules and customs of that country.

And it is in your best interest if you are not happy with some rule or custom (whatever) of the host country to keep your opinion to yourself. I have watched first hand a fellow American in French Polynesia go around bad mouthing seemingly everything and everyone. A real sourpuss. However, when it came time for his visa to be renewed (which was simple, easily done and pro forma for most everyone) his renewal was denied. He was aghast, how could they say "move on" to him and he fumed up and down the quay on how poorly he was being treated. The French were happy to see such a sour person go and so were the most of the rest of us.

All in all your idea sounds like a way to lose your boat and find yourself in some very dark hole of a jail. And the Consulate of whatever country you call home unable to help because you broke laws and not accidentially.

Hope this helps,

Wiley

hellosailor 09-09-2009 04:03 PM

Little wing, you should read Alice In Wonderland. Everyplace you go, you will meet new people and in every place, there will be a different King. (Or Red Queen, or whatever.) Every King will have different rules.

So if you don't want to deal with many different kings and many different rules, stay home. Because you can ignore them--but they won't ignore you. Once you enter their land, you belong to them, until and unless you can prove otherwise.


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