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You need one more solar panel... Then you could leave the diesel off...

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Eryka—

You need one more solar panel... Then you could leave the diesel off...
Nope. Just more sunshine. As the days get longer, it'll work out even better as we make more power. OTOH, as the days get longer the water gets warmer, so we need more refrig, so that uses more power ...
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Thanx Davidpm, we think the boat is "pretty sweet" now ourselves Here's how our numbers broke out:
Thanks Eryka, what a great resource for all the dreamers.
Did you ever mention the model boat you ended up with?
Any guesses as to how much you guys saved by doing so much yourself?
Let me guess: I figured yards usually charge in the neighborhood of 100 an hour so I figure maybe a years work 40x50x100 = 200,000 so even if I am double and it would have been only 100,000 the lesson is that classic plastic with refit can save half the cost of new if you do the work yourself but would cost at least double from new if you had the yard do it.
Of course the advantage you have, and it is a huge advantage, is that you know a great deal about every system.
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Any guesses as to how much you guys saved by doing so much yourself?
Let me guess: I figured yards usually charge in the neighborhood of 100 an hour so I figure maybe a years work 40x50x100 = 200,000 so even if I am double and it would have been only 100,000 the lesson is that classic plastic with refit can save half the cost of new if you do the work yourself but would cost at least double from new if you had the yard do it.
Of course the advantage you have, and it is a huge advantage, is that you know a great deal about every system.
Then again, hiring tradespeople to do the work, they could do these things much faster than we could. They have specialized tools we wouldn't buy for just one job, and there was an awful lot of learning time we spent on each system. For example, we spent days getting the Xantrex in and properly wired, I'm sure someone who routinely (and only) worked on boat wiring could have done it in just a few hours.

although we don't know how much we saved, The bottom line is that it was a moot point - we couldn't have been able to afford to do it at all if we had to pay someone to install, it took 100% of the available money to buy the systems. If we didnt' have the technical skills, we would have cruised on a smaller, older, or less comfortable boat; or worked longer and delayed going.
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Davidpm, an additional thought is that Dan wasn't working on the refit fulltime, more like 1/2 time and doing his Navy Sailing thing the other 1/2. So your equation should be 20x50x100 ...
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My retired co-worker called me yesterday to chat a bit. He and his wife are cruising a Defever 49 named "Trust Me". He told me as of yesterday, they were in Staniel Cay for a few days. If you see his boat, give him a shout and tell him "Sparkie" says hello. They are good guys and this is their first cruise. They are living the dream (as it sounds like you are!). I checked your link, the sharks are cool............
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I'd point out that installing the systems yourself and knowing them intimately may well save you a lot of money and aggravation in the long run... also, as Alvah Simon wrote about in his book, North to the Night, it might even save your life...

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Then again, hiring tradespeople to do the work, they could do these things much faster than we could. They have specialized tools we wouldn't buy for just one job, and there was an awful lot of learning time we spent on each system. For example, we spent days getting the Xantrex in and properly wired, I'm sure someone who routinely (and only) worked on boat wiring could have done it in just a few hours.

although we don't know how much we saved, The bottom line is that it was a moot point - we couldn't have been able to afford to do it at all if we had to pay someone to install, it took 100% of the available money to buy the systems. If we didnt' have the technical skills, we would have cruised on a smaller, older, or less comfortable boat; or worked longer and delayed going.

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One would hope.
What kind of boat do you have.
Make, size, age?
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My retired co-worker called me yesterday to chat a bit. He and his wife are cruising a Defever 49 named "Trust Me". He told me as of yesterday, they were in Staniel Cay for a few days. If you see his boat, give him a shout and tell him "Sparkie" says hello. They are good guys and this is their first cruise. They are living the dream (as it sounds like you are!). I checked your link, the sharks are cool............
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I DID see that boat a couple of days ago ... will definitely look for them! Right now we're boat-bound, rain and wind.
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What kind of boat do you have.
Make, size, age?
30-year-old CSY 33. Love it! Great, sturdy, comfy-but-slow coastal cruiser.
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