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Boats we are looking at so far

Here is what we have looked at so far (that are acceptable) in our search for a liveaboard cruiser:

Ta Shing Baba 40
Price: 90K
Pros: price, seaworthyness, interior, honest private seller, good sail inventory, blue water capable and proven, price
Cons: teak decks need recalking, a little dirty outside

Hardin 45 Ketch (3)
Price: 110-140K
Pros: Roomy (did I say roomy), great decks, good rigging, nice lines, good engines all, awesome engine access, blue water capable with window covers.
Cons: boutique boat, one had teak decks, proud owner$, full keel

Hunter 380
Price: 111K
Pros: clean, bright, well equipped, modern, great coastal cruiser
Cons: owner i$ very proud of boat, not necessarily good for leaving the coast, not as roomy as the others.

Morgan 43
Price 114K
Pros: fairly modern, in good shape, clean, well laid out, fairly handsome
Cons: ignorant broker, obvious stern damage from being backed into a dock that broker said, "oh really, where?", once had 6" of water over the sole of the aft cabin (why?), huge mast dead center in salon, some slightly worn and broken pieces.

Freedom 39' Schooner/Cat
Price: 115K
Pros: excellent condition, great single handing rig, almost as much room as the hardin, good decks, good engine, well equipped, blue water capable, free standing masts, awesome private sale owners
Cons: free standing masts (some see it that way), heavily crazed windows (but owner will fix if price is fair), and that's it...

Franck/Seaborn Raised Salon (52')
Price: 119K
Pros: unique, beautiful, masterpiece, floating museum piece, one family owner, immaculately maintained, fast sailing boat, blue water capable with salon window reinforcements, price
Cons: wood construction, length, single handing ability in question, odd berting layouts, 8' draft.

Hunter Legend 40.5 (not seen this one yet)
Price: 119K
Pros: one owner private sale liveaboard boat, well equipped, known history, clean, modern, good coastal cruiser
Cons: not many aside from being a Hunter in some eyes

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Hmm...quite a diverse list. My advice is to back up and make a list of the top three four things you want to find in a boat...other than costing under $120K, and then start reseearching for that set of boats that happen to have some or all of your requirements...then go boat hunting.

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Hmm...quite a diverse list. My advice is to back up and make a list of the top three four things you want to find in a boat...other than costing under $120K, and then start reseearching for that set of boats that happen to have some or all of your requirements...then go boat hunting.
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Right now we are basically in the information gathering phase, seeing boats to determine what is important to us. Some on this list aren't in the running anymore but have informed us greatly.

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Hmm...quite a diverse list. My advice is to back up and make a list of the top three four things you want to find in a boat...other than costing under $120K, and then start reseearching for that set of boats that happen to have some or all of your requirements...then go boat hunting.
That is good advice. The list of possibles is very long and until you know what you want it's going to be hard.

We listed 6 non-negotiables that we would not live without and then went looking. The search field was much narrower.

Our list was:
  • Centre cockpit (aft cabin)
  • Two heads (one to have "everything", one to be basic)
  • Sloop or cutter (no multiple masts)
  • Encapsulated keel (no keel bolts)
  • Well supported rudder (top and bottom)
  • Space for larger equipment (genset, watermaker, extra batteries etc)
If a boat on offer never had all of these it was routinely skipped over.

Most lists will be different so think long and hard about the type of sailing you will dominantly do then make your own. Once this is done the selection process is way easier.


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Are you aware that a teak deck has a finite life and is both expensive and time consuming to replace.

Assuming that these are all older boats they may be at or near that point. Also the Ta Shing may have teak over ply and this often means a complete deck replacement as the ply will be delaminating and rotted.

A wooden 52 footer! You can not be serious!!

The Morgan 43 is a nice boat although the ones with Perkins 4108s are a bit underengined. 114k is a lot though it should be pretty near immac at that price with a low hours engine and new/recent rigging etc. There is a nice one on the east coast at 76k with a rebuilt engine.

Have a look at an Early Hunter Passage 42 too, they have one of the best aft cabins you will see.
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I have to say, I appreciate the the lack of assumptions and the good suggestions so far.

No, I'm not serious about the Helene. She is an amazing boat but she is not for us.

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We have been searching for boats for over a year now, and just bought an old 1967 35 Alberg Ericson, But the Boat we really liked was the Hans Christians, hands down one of the nicest sailboats I have seen with a great Bed, Nice galley, wonderful Sailboats the (Hans Christian 33T) or Second choice would be the Corbin 39. We didn't have the $100.000 in our budget but if we did one of those two would have been the one. LOL but a Hunter or a Catalina Would not even be near my list. Those are not sailboats they are Submarines! LOL

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Obviously you have not tried to sail that Alberg 35 in a big head sea or chop. Talk about a submarine with a mast! There are few boats that are wetter.

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When we looked for a boat a year and half ago, we got pretty excited about a Hunter 40.5 that was available about an hour drive away. Broker said it was in excellent shape, well equipped for cruising, factory upgraded rigging, generator, watermaker, etc.

The generator was bolted with lag screws into hull, no wood blocking, 2 of the four screws had vibrated loose making a mess of fiberglass. There were gelcoat cracks near a lot of the deck hardware and the spiderweb cracks near the windlass were atrocious. I have no reason to believe this was a typical Hunter but then again, all the commissioning was done at Hunter....

The boat was very spouse friendly down below with an aft cabin that was very pleasant, roomy. If we were to buy a boat for the owners cabin this would have been the boat but the cheesy quality of the mounting of hardware, and the fact that it just didn't ring our beauty bell when we walked up to it or away from it made the decision easy. Since then I have met a couple of 40.5 owners and they both sail the dickins out of there boats, love them for what they are. Easy to sail, relatively quick, tons of room for kids , guests, etc. Both couples raved about Hunter support.

We ended up spending a bit more and buying a Dehler 39. Not as big, not as cruisy, but a flat out riot to sail.

Good luck with the journey
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LOL@Submarine

Um Jeff H we know you don't like the Old Alberg's But Truth is they have been around the world more than once. They are heavy, full keel, and I have heard from many they really handle well in big seas. I rode out Hurricane Charley in a 24ft San Juan, So I know it will out handle that boat. Yes they where not built as cruising boats in their day, but by today's standards, throw a bigger water tank in, and a bigger fuel tank, and you have a blue water cruiser

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