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What were the figures you came up with for shipping? What size of boat? I'm wondering why the boat would have to be 100,000USD.

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Only because the shipping costs are a flat rate, fixed cost per length. For instance I costed moving a 42'er from east coast USA to Australia and it came out to over AUD$40.000. Now on a USD$100.000 boat that has a market value in Australia of say USD$150.000 that is an economical proposition albeit borderline. As the value of the boat decreases however the % of freight to purchase price becomes greater and reduces the economic benefit. The actual break even point is going to vary but I cannot see it working for anything under $USD100.000.

That is not to say that a sub $100.000 vessel that you sail home is a bad idea. There is great value (and the cruise of a lifetime) to be had if you are prepared and experienced enough to make the trip.

Our friend SimonV who did just that is a happy man for having done so. Even if you were pressed for time (within reason) the trip home to OZ can be done relatively quickly though for me that would be a shame as I'd like to explore the PNW first. If I remember rightly Simon only made a couple of stops twixt California and Queensland.
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Thanks for the reply. I guess I still don't understand why the minimum cost would have to be 100,000USD. The mitigating factor would be the differential of the cost in the US to the value in Aust. If a boat costs 80,000USD rather than 100,000 USD and have a value of 150,000 Aust. That is an added 20,000. I am noy trying to be cheeky. However looking at boat prices in that area compared to the US prices can be over double!

Did you ever cost shipping a boat from the west coast of the US? If so how much was it?

I agree, having previously lived in the PNW, it would be good area to cruise.
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Scott,

I suppose I should have said in my original post..."it appears to me that USD$100.000 is about the minimum to make it worthwhile". Poorly worded on my part.

From memory the one time I did cost a 40'er from Seattle to Sydney it was around AUD$25.000-$30.000 but that was a while back and I don't remember the USD-AUD exchange rate at the time.

I guess the major point would be that the cheaper the boat the less the real difference twixt Oz value and US value, while the shipping costs remain static. A USD$50.000 boat is probably only going to be worth USD$75.000 in Oz at best. Take out brokerage fees if you sold, import duty and gst (oz vat/retail sales tax) on entry and their is little to be gained unless of course the boat you end up buying is impossible to obtain in Australia.

Remember this is opinion on my part based on personal experience.

No big deal btw....your question was quite valid.
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Good luck with your search. As an Aussie designed boat the Arends has an extremely good reputation for handling our conditions.

I sail regularly on a Phantom 34 and it also appears to have a good reputation for cruising. The one i sail on has done a similar trip to what you intend and I know there area a couple available in Sydney.

Whatever you do do not look at prices of boats in the US or Europe! It is real depressing to us buyers downunder.

I have just pruchased a property in Inner Melbourne and in 7 years should realise approx $275K profit - so that's the boat and the kitty :-)

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We looked at a Phantom on the weekend and were quite impressed, however I don't know a great deal about the design or history of these yachts, possible issues to look out for etc.

Does anyone have any more info on the Phantom 33's?? They seem to be fine coastal cruisers, wonder if there anything specific issues that would stop one from taking them to somewhere like Vanuatu(6-7day passage)?? In short are the blue water capable??
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We looked at a Phantom on the weekend and were quite impressed, however I don't know a great deal about the design or history of these yachts, possible issues to look out for etc.

Does anyone have any more info on the Phantom 33's?? They seem to be fine coastal cruisers, wonder if there anything specific issues that would stop one from taking them to somewhere like Vanuatu(6-7day passage)?? In short are the blue water capable??
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I was looking at one on the water on the weekend. Good looking boats. No direct experience with them however. This might be of interest if you havn't already seen it. I doubt you'd have any major concerns re a Pacific cruise.

http://www.rbyc.org.au/site/yachting...02008%20CN.pdf

Have you had a look at that Northshore 33 that Brays are listing ?

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Thanks for the link TD, good info and it does reinforce what our general consensus was...

No we haven't seen the Northshore 33......it looks interesting though, I do like the idea of buying a re-engined boat in the age range we are looking at.....
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The Phantom 33 is built by Phantom Yachts, designer Nick Stein. Not much help, I know..

Northshore's are very seaworthy and no slouch if sailed well - there are a few in the Twilight races down this way. One guy I know of regularly single-handed cruises his NS33 to Lakes Entrance and along top of Tassie - but the cabin layout is not to everyone's liking..

If you were down here, I could ask him to take you out for a spin.
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I got this stuff below from an owner.

Phantoms : The first ones were 32's with a 12m mast length, and a single spreader rig. Performance poor in light winds.
By mid 80's Nick Shein was fitting a double spreader rig on 12.6 m masts.
Nick can't be found these days, but we know that some 32's had a wider transom to fit a true double quarter berth for chartering.
Then some charter co's wanted easier boarding, so a "sugar scoop" was added to the hulls, and they are great for swimming, boarding, loading from a dinghy, etc., 33 ft loa.
Some then wanted a double quarter berth AND a sugar scoop and these became 34's.

Everything else is identical to the 32's, and my guess is that the design is originally German, and is a "raised deck" shape, no cabin.
Once I intended starting up a Phantom owners support group by sending a letter to Afloat free magazine.
I got 15 good replies but got distracted and did not get it off the ground.
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The Phantom 33 is built by Phantom Yachts, designer Nick Stein. Not much help, I know..

Northshore's are very seaworthy and no slouch if sailed well - there are a few in the Twilight races down this way. One guy I know of regularly single-handed cruises his NS33 to Lakes Entrance and along top of Tassie - but the cabin layout is not to everyone's liking..

If you were down here, I could ask him to take you out for a spin.
Have to agree with you re the layout. I hadn't noticed that. I've never liked interiors where you end up tucked away from the companionway.
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Have to agree with you re the layout. I hadn't noticed that. I've never liked interiors where you end up tucked away from companionway.
Yep. Methinks they are very much a "bachelor boat" - which is fine for single-handing and racing with your mates (although the cockpit is kind-of small) - but not all that great for a couple +/- kids.

The offset companionway is a good thing - and should be on more boats (I never did understand why that happened) - but the lengthways galley-in-the-saloon idea just doesn't appeal to me.. personal taste. Perhaps it reminds me too much of galleys in multi-hulls!!
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