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There are two responses that swell up within me as I read about your plan to drop out and your life plan. First is your one of the dumbest kids I have ever encountered with arragence that superceeds your stupidy. You think you know it all. Where have you been working over the summer for the past couple of years while in school go and see if they will hire you back full time. Second has mom and dad been furnishing you with shelter, food and clothing all for free probably. I don''t think your in for a tough sail through life I know your in for many a huricane in life''s sea alone.
My second response is who can I communicate to you how you are on the edge of the clif contemplating jumping into the obis. All these respondents want to help but your sticking your nose up at them. This decision will linger in your life forever. If you choose to do the foolish thing and quit and you find that life is using you as a door mat which it will and you want to change that don''t be afraid to go and get your GED. It will be a start on altering your course in life.

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yea, sorry i seem to preach sometimes. But to me the sailing life does not seem all that hard. I mean there is not constant work and a boss,ect. It is not that expensive, unless you make it expensive(buying a expensive large boat, buying things you dont need, useing alot of fuel, ect). There is less sickness and desease. It does not appear to me as a extreamly hard lifestyle. I think working in a factory for your entire life, or being a buisness man for your entire life would be alot more stressful and cause alot of pain in your life. Almost everyone i know is going to college, military or at least graduating. I just see work, money, materialism, greed, ect as just illusions. I really dont want much, i dont have many desires, like owning a nice car, nice house, ect. Without a Diaploma you can still work at some places(making min wage of course) or you could just work under the table jobs(like many people just need laborers for there small buisness) but still you are making money and could buy a decent boat after a few years of saving up.
It really dont cost much after that if your living on your boat. theres the cost of food, repairs, docking(or just use anchorages), fuel(some people sail engineless on 20-30 footers), there is not really much other costs if you have already bought solar panels, GPS, VHF.
alot of the problems in life are just made by people that make them problems, Buddhist monks dont have many problems and they are mostly poor with nothing.
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I think you need to do a complete "cost of sailing" analysis. I suspect you are grossly under-estimating the costs associated with sailing. The cost of the boat is only a small part of what it''ll cost to go sailing. Even a well maintained boat will require major repairs at some point (hopefully, later rather than sooner).

Good food (meaning good nutrition) is not easy to accomplish for extended cruises, and is usually not cheap either. Health will play a big factor as you age. Even routine hygene can become costly if you don''t take good care of your teeth, skin, feet, etc.

Finding work may at first seem easy, so long as you don''t expect much. However, there may come a time when you won''t be able to find work, or your body won''t allow you to do work you were once able to do (e.g. - arthritis, weaker muscles, etc.)

You sound a bit selfish and naive. You come accross as someone who wants it now, but you don''t want to put in the effort to get it the way it normally done, meaning studying, graduating, working hard, meeting your responsibilities to society, then saving, then enjoying the fruits of your labor.

BTW, about 35 years ago, I was in your situation. I chose to graduate from H.S., join the Navy, get some training, take advantage of the GI Bill and go to college to get a B.S. and then a M.S. Then I gott a good paying job, save up for the things we needed and wanted.

As of now, we owe about $30k on the house, we''ve put two kids through college, own our boat and all our cars and furniture, and still have plenty of time to enjoy the fruits of our labor. If I had to do it again, I wouldn''t change a thing.

The choice is yours. You can do what you''ve said so far, or you can try to do it my way.

Good luck and happy sails to you ~ _/) ~
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I can Promise you this Jeff:

In about 10-15 years time (if you continue on the foolish plan you seem intent on following), you''ll think back on this discussion and you will cry into your pillow.

I don''t doubt it for one minute. You''ll realize that you''ve made the biggest mistake possible.

Even the most mundane of jobs in todays world require an education. You however, will be competing with the billions of uneducated people from everywhere. Whereas they however did not have the opportunities to get an education, that knowledge will have inspired in them a drive to excell in other ways. You however, having thrown away the one advantage you were undeservedly born with, will have aquired:
laziness
arrogance
stupidity
undiciplinedness
naivite
immaturity

These attributes that appear to fit you like a glove, will surely help you find your just deserve in life''s continuous struggle.

My opinion

MM
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Magnusmurphy you said that i am stupid and "you''ll think back on this discussion and you will cry into your pillow." but why, could you or someone eles tell me why i am going to make a huge mistake? I am looking at it like i will save alot of money, buy a inexpensive sailboat(under $40,000) 27-40ft. Put atleast $10,000 in the bank, then after that i will be able to sail. Find some odd jobs when the $10,000 runs out. I am not really seeing the huge mistake in this. If it is a smaller boat u wont need as much fuel, even some people go engineless- thats a HUGE savings. Then other then that its just paying for food, mabey docking or use anchorages, and then paying for other governmental rip offs. It just looks like a easy life to me, i mean my father graduated from high school and became a machinist- he hated it it was hell to him worked for the company for 25 years. My brother graduated from high school and does masonary- he hates it. Alot of famous people are high school dropouts actors, scientists, inventors, musicians, ect. The criminal lifestyle does not require a highschool diapolma, its just the chance of going to prison for 1-100 years makes it not a good idea. Im looking at sailing as just a good life style, i think its better then working as a full time laborer for some corporation. If I am sounding very immature and naive to whomever is reading this, reply and knock common sense into me.
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The Lady Washington is one boat on the west coast that uses volunteer crew each summer. They are based in Aberdeen, but this next week they will be in Port Townsend at the wooden boat festival.
Lady Washington is a replica of the first American ship to sail in Washington I think, but anyone who has seen the Pirates of the Carribean movie saw the Lady Washington and her crew as it was repainted and sailed to be in the movie last year.

Also there are some people who do not use engines here in Bellingham. One I saw used oars in his 28 foot boat that was about 7500lbs displacement. I have some reservations about depending on oar power in some of the currents around here. Not to mention useing sweeps in a tight marina environment, but if you picked your days to sail and stayed out anchored, it could work.

Ken
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Jeffamc,

I don''t think you sound immature,or naive.It sounds like you know what you want to me.That''s a good thing.So many people never know what they want.If I were your age,I would probably be doing the same thing you''re doing,but I would be doing it after I finished high school,and college,or a tech.school.The reason being,is that I basically don''t like having to work any harder than I have to. The first job I got after graduating high school was working for a roofing company.The work was hot,dangerous,and grueling.The next job I got wasn''t much better.After a couple of more back breakers,I decided to go back to school.I went to a technical college,graduated,and moved from back breaking work to a lot better pay and working conditions.It was that one move that enabled me to make the kind of money to do the kind of things I wanted to do--sail,and travel.It enabled me to charter boats in various locations in the world,buy the 26 foot boat I have now, and accumulate the savings I have now for my next bigger boat.The list goes on,but I think you get the idea.I think your way will work,but it will be that--work.As you''ve pointed out,crime doesn''t pay,so the only other thing that leaves is mundane,low paying,and hard physical jobs.As long as you can accept that,you''ll be o.k.It will take you longer to save to buy your boat,longer to save the money to live the dream,and longer to build up any kind of savings for retirement for after you can no longer sail.I''m sure there are others that have done it though.I have two sons a little older than you.Reading your comments remind me a lot of the things they used to say.I tried to tell them the same things I''m telling you,but they wouldn''t listen.They had to do it their way.They paid the price by the sweat of their brow.They saw the writing on the wall and eventually made some decisions that changed their lives for the better. They turned out o.k.,and I''m sure you will too. Good luck with your plans,and dreams.
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Regards, It has been said that a wife and a steady job have been the ruin of more sailors than anything else. I would like you to consider some things before you cast off.

TVMDC, +W -E, Set & Drift, HMG, CMG, SMG, ETA, DEV, DR, FIX, T=D/S, Lat, Long.

Jeff, if you don''t know what i am talking about you will never get to where you want to go.

You have to know this inside and out, forward and backwards and be able to do most of in your head.

My point is, that maybe a traditional high school is not right for you but in order to be a good sailor an education is essential. Check out some the "Sea school" programs, Navy and or Coast Guard. Please remember that the Buddhist monks don''t have solar panels and GPS, so if you want to go simple and cheap and keep your boat off the rocks. Please studying navigation as a start to your on water education.

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Let''s see if I can knock some sense into you.

First, $40k for a 27'' to 40'' boat seems fair, but may be a bit low for the upper range you''re considering. Even if you do find a 40'' boat for that price, it''ll probably need lots of TLC and major repairs, maybe needed sooner rather than later. :^(

Second, (IMO) a nest-egg of only $10k is woefully underfunded. One bad break (physical or mechanical) could cause you to go through that $10k in no time at all.

Third, I''m sorry to hear that your Dad and brother were not happy with the type of work they did. I''m sure that happens to many folks, but just in case you don''t know it "Life is Real". There are no guarantees that we''ll all have a pleasant one. The Preamble to the Constitution guarantees us "Life, Liberty, and the persuit of happiness..." That means you have the right to persue it, but it''s not gauranteed.

However, you are not your Dad or your brother. You may find work that is satisfying and rewarding. The chances of finding such a job increase geometrically as you increase your educational level. As you said, "there are lots of famous folks how have made it without a H.S. diploma." Well, I''ve got bad news for you - they are the exceptions to the rule. There are lots more (perhaps millions) who have made it big with a H.S. diploma.

Last, you totally ignor the fact that your health may not hold up over time. One bad fall or a bout with bad food and you could be layed-up for weeks - unable to work or worse, in a hospital with no way of paying for the care.

So let me ask you this - do you plan to be self sufficient, or do you plan to be a burden on society? BTW, if you don''t have a plan, then you''re likely going to be a burden on society. Since the rest of us think we will wind up supporting you, don''t be surprised that we think your ideas are poorly thought through.

Good luck (I think you''ll need plenty of it) and happy sails to you ~ _/) ~
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Jeff--I am curious about one thing.How much sailing experience have you had? In all your posts, I read how you think that sailing will be an "easy" and "cheap" life. I don''t see anywhere that you LOVE sailing, or in fact have a passion about anything except complaining about how hard life is at the grand old age of 17-18. It sounds like perhaps your father and brother haven''t set fantastic examples, but here is a little fact: LIFE IS NOT EASY AND WE ALL HAVE ADVERSITIES in our lives. I won''t bore you with mine, but I rose above some rough times as a teenager; that''s called growing up. I have a teen-aged son, and have to prod him from time-to-time to not take the easiest route in school, to stretch himself to make the most of his abilites. I see him maturing, one step forward, sometimes two steps back, but he is beginning to realize that perhaps his parents ARE RIGHT and that sometimes the easiest way is not the best way in the long run. You are too young to limit your options. At least get your GED, and look into some trade like others have suggested. Perhaps you aren''t meant for Yale, but it doesn''t mean that you aren''t cut out for other training in a good field. Find your passion in life, and try to soar, not just get by.
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