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Re: Full or fin keel?

My boat was designed to be a no frills/utilitarian single handed ocean cruiser. The rig was tweeked, winches added and I have totally redesigned the interior to be more efficient and pleasing to the eye. The secound owner (who has skippered 100'+ schooners)
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Re: Full or fin keel?

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I an not suggesting that your boat isn't efficient, pleasing to the eye, or a good sea boat. You are pleased and that is what counts.

I am suggesting that most do not want a boat from another era, that isn't roomy, and is similar to the Hiscock`s Wanderer III - a great boat from another time.
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Re: Full or fin keel?

In a thread discussing the merits of the new wide boats vs the older narrow ones...my response was "I chose grace over space".
A friend of mine has A Catalina 30....for a live aboard it wins over mine hands down...but aside from the advantages of my boat at sea, a plastic production boat just isn't my style. A boat, especially if it is your home, is a very personal thing and you should get what you are most comfortable with...remember the only person you need to impress is yourself.
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I an not suggesting that your boat isn't efficient, pleasing to the eye, or a good sea boat. You are pleased and that is what counts.

I am suggesting that most do not want a boat from another era, that isn't roomy, and is similar to the Hiscock`s Wanderer III - a great boat from another time.
What boat do you own Brian?
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Re: Full or fin keel?

I currently have a CS27, pictured at the top of my posts.
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Unlike the wander III that my boat has a huge cockpit and lazarette...so big that raising the quarter deck a little to biuld an aft cabin (which extends under the cockpit) is a viable possibility.
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I an not suggesting that your boat isn't efficient, pleasing to the eye, or a good sea boat. You are pleased and that is what counts.

I am suggesting that most do not want a boat from another era, that isn't roomy, and is similar to the Hiscock`s Wanderer III - a great boat from another time.
Are you sure about that? Your boats design is probably 30 or 40 years old and there are obviously things about it that you like. It probably has less interior space than wolfenzee's boat as well.
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Re: Full or fin keel?

A CS27 is not the ideal ocean cruiser for a family, or even a couple. But it will do what I want as a singlehander and it is roomy enough.

My ideal boat? Lottery win required.

A 50' version of Dashew's Sundeer in aluminum, or a Boreal 44 or 50

The Alubat Cigale is a great boat but the keel is too deep for many places.

More affordably I think Perry's Saga 43 would make a great ocean cruiser, as would the Saga 35 for less money.

None are considered wide boats, and the Sundeer type is very narrow.
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Re: Full or fin keel?

My boat was designed 75 years ago and at that time it was a "tried and true" design.
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Re: Full or fin keel?

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The main purpose of the fin keeled cruising boat, sometimes called a "racer/cruiser" is to emulate the high performance of the racing boats.......
You can only be jocking. Halberg Hassy, Oyster, Malo, Najad, Hinckley, Morris, all well know cruiser-racers trying to emulate racing boats!!!!

My God, that is really too much Wolf

As I have said, most of them were once full keelers, or medium keelers. They are now fin kellers to sail better not to race or to emulate racers. They are all bluewater cruisers and that's what they were built to do: Bluewater cruising, not to race or even cruiser-racing.

I think everybody can agree with that, I mean cruiser-racers?!!!!

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... The "classic bluewater boat" is a heavy displacement full keel....
Finally something I can agree with you. Yes in what regards Classic boats you are right.

However modern bluewater boats are fin keelers and that is a fact. Why the hell there is not a market for modern full keel bluewater boats if they are better than fin keel boats for bluewater work? Do you really believe that all the boat designers all the sailors that buy those bluewater boats are wrong and you are right? All of them?

Nothing wrong in liking to sail or own classic or traditional boats (I love both) but from there to pretending that the advantages of a better designed sailboat ended 75 years ago goes a big distance

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