Maine, is your North Face very old?
Not my NF bag it is my brother in laws and yes it is from their good era. My bag is made by Western Mountaineering.
I thought they were just into making "Urban Ghetto StyleGear" these days, they aren't who they used to be.
They are "these days". That Bibler Fitzroy tent was sewn by Todd Bibler himself long before Black Diamond bought his company. It's a "Bibler". The TNF bag is fro the good days of TNF...
And 800 fill...IIRC anything over 600 is measured with a rubber ruler.
Not at all.. 800 fill down is real and very expensive. Even though that TNF bag is fro the good days of TNF I bet it is 750 fill at best. My WM bag is definitely 800 fill.... My wife's friend is a partner of a company called Cuddle Down here in Maine. They have a nice display of the differnt lofts and grades of down. Simple clear 10" diameter tubes all with the same physical weight of down. The 800 fill has HUGE loft.
I bought a nice pair of zip-leg pants from them a couple of yearrs ago, ordered another pair a year later, same model, same name, and found they'd cut the pockets from 9" to 4" deep, someone in China found a way to knock ten bucks off their cost, I'm sure. Still LOOK good...but they're now in the fashion market, not mountaineering, said to say.
I live ten minutes from a TNF and a Patagonia outlet. They BOTH sell junk these days. My old "summit" parka from TNF you could not pry from my dead fingers but the current model of that down sweater is the biggest POS I have ever seen. Mine stuffs down to the size of a Nalgene bottle, weighs nothing and keeps me toasty in temps down to -35F....
But even the down makers, the best of the down makes, all say once it gets wet you are screwed. It will have no warmth and take forever to dry.
Yep so you don't get it wet. Been using it now for 35 years and never had that happen. Talking hundreds and hundreds of nights lots of them in winter which is generally when I start hiking. I don't really like it in the summer cause I'm sailing...
.. I just really, really dislike synthetics and have tried them all.
So I love my down, especially my down parka with the goer-tex shell. I've got the remnants of an old double-shell (two quilted shells) arctic expedition parka that I call my Florida Coat because when I'm in it, I'm in warm sunny florida and can't understand why anyone else is having a problem. But I won't take that out in the rain, much less in spray. It's worthless when wet, and yes, it is prime goose down, zero feathers, vintage from when...oh wait, you can't buy that stuff almost anywhere these days anyhow. I think "Feathered Friends" in Seattle is about the last place on earth selling real down expeditionware. (And we talk about marine chandleries being pricey, haha.)
Good mountaineering gear is pricey but worth it. I have a pair of Feathered Friends Gore-Tex down muklucks. They have saved my toes from possible amputation a few times.. The Koflachs are good when moving but when you stop they are darn cold even with VBL's. I have used my down in rainy, windy and snowy and icy conditions for many years but I'm not sloppy with it. If there is a potential for it to get wet It goes into my Bibler bivy that I always carry. The compression sack it is carried in is also waterproof. I kayaked the entire Maine Island Trail in 1992 with a 20 degree down bag in a 18' Current Designs sea kayak. Never once slept is an uncomfortable or wet bag and it was over 40 total nights from start to finish.....
Of our 10 or so bags we do have one synthetic bag and that's for the dogs....