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Re: My Boat was Hit Bad

Ck maybe silence is golden till this is settled.
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Now all you have to do is watch your Lawyer....CLOSELY.
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Now all you have to do is watch your Lawyer....CLOSELY.
He's a good friend, so I'm not worried.
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That's very good news. They and insurance companies really need watching. Wish you the best in your recovery.
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I assume you have Mr. Powerboater's insurance carrier and Policy # by now.
I'm not surprised that Boat US (your insurance carrier) has not gotten back to you yet, unless Mr. Powerboater also used Boat US for his insurance. For the record, it would be easier for us to understand if we knew which insurance company he used.
It will take them time to substantiate an estimate for repairs (hire a surveyor, contact boat yards etc.) and this is their busy season as other policy holders have sunk their boats at the dock or driven them up on the rocks.
The best advice I can give is to try to remain philosophical and calm about all of this as it will take more time then you might think for this all to get sorted out (every repair with boats takes 3 times longer and costs twice as much as expected).
If you are feeling impatient then call Mr. Powerboater's marine insurance company and make sure that a claim has been opened against his policy for the damage he did to your boat. Then find out what has (or has not) been done. You may be able to help them by finding a marine surveyor to assess the damage and help move things along, or they may give you the name of the surveyor they want to use. A good survey of the damage is the first step.
The next step would be to find the best yard or company that can do the repairs to your satisfaction. It is a lot like auto insurance once it reaches this point; they'll pay $18K for repairs but you want to use auto shop X who you trust to do good work but will charge $20K. That is where your lawyer friend may come in handy.

I guess I am saying that it is fine to make loud noises about how you were wronged (and you were) but the more even tempered and helpful you can be may help move things along just a little bit faster. After all, the people that work for the insurance company were not the ones who damaged your boat. Their client did and they should respond to that but they personally never did you any harm. Old adage: You'll catch more flies with honey.

Having done a lesser repair to my own boat it seems to me that you are looking at at least 1 month of being hauled out on jack stands. Knowing what I think I do about the flakiness of marine 'professionals' and how busy they are with other clients jobs you would be really lucky to find someone who could spend an entire week devoted to your damaged deck house. You might consider finding a place to stay on land by the week or even for a full month (or more - hope not!). Hopefully my perceptions are a bit out of whack but the marine repair business is not exactly as well run as the auto repair business.

I hope I am wrong about this. I am just suggesting that it might not all get 'made whole' in a week or two.

More reasons to be pi$$ed off and lose sleep, I know. Sorry about that.

When our boat had a hole in the hull/deck joint on the port bow, jib in tatters, bow pulpit crushed ... due in part to our own negligence, I did the fiberglass repairs myself as I could not find anyone available who could commit to doing it quickly. I sub-contracted a new roller furler and we bought a new bow pulpit and installed it ourselves. It took about 1 month to do it all.

I really do wish you the best of luck with this 'process'.
I second the advice and good thoughts. I lost the entire 2011 sailing season when my neighbor across the fairway passed out from heat stroke on Mem. Day and rammed his SeaRay 34 into Catalyst while she was minding her own business in our slip.

It took me 'til November to get a new pulpit ordered, new furler done by the rigger (we're not in a sailboat-friendly place for service), and then the deck repairs, etc.

In my case BoatUS (my insurer, not the at-fault guy's) was terrific, they were fast and easy to work with and they ended up paying me very fairly (initial estimate turned out to be at least $1,500 low when all damage was found & assessed), so i was lucky I got it repaired and not totaled.

I hope it all comes through for you, too.
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Hi everyone,
The settlement is over. I'm now in the process of "moving on" and making decisions. Before me are a couple of choices: repair boat or buy new one. Repairing my new boat is costly and a logistical nightmare. So I'm now looking at boats in the PNW for sale, and putting out a request to boats that are not on the market. To read more about my process, what I want and need and what I don't want, please refer to my post: Liveaboard seeks new sailboat? | Courtney Kirchoff

You guys rock. I thank you all for helping me through this disaster.
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Re: My Boat was Hit Bad

Sorry to hear, courtney.
But new boat shopping can be a lot of fun. Good luck in the search for Libby, too.
I just read your blog post, and the only thing missing that might help in the search is a ballpark budget. There is no point wasting your time pointing you toward $40-50K boats if you have a $20K budget, or vice versa.
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Re: My Boat was Hit Bad

I also wish you well, Courtney. Boat shopping can be fun, but the stress must really be there when the decision is also your home. Please consider keeping this thread alive with as much detail as possible. This has been very educational for me, and I'll bet it has been for many others as well.
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Sorry to hear, courtney.
But new boat shopping can be a lot of fun. Good luck in the search for Libby, too.
I just read your blog post, and the only thing missing that might help in the search is a ballpark budget. There is no point wasting your time pointing you toward $40-50K boats if you have a $20K budget, or vice versa.
Ah, I'm keeping that close to the chest. The market is soft, but brokers are brokers.
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Re: My Boat was Hit Bad

Courtney,
Congrats on getting through the insurance settlement phase. That is a big step in the right direction.
As someone who could not bear the idea of the insurance company owning my damaged boat which would most likely end up in a dumpster I decided to buy her back for cheap ($800 - $1000 off my settlement check).
The damage to my boat was mostly a hole in the hull deck joint (3" x 12" approx), roller furler, bow pulpit and jib trashed. Beyond that were some sections of damaged teak toe/cap rail.
I had some experience with West System epoxy so I had a rudimentary idea of how that worked. I had never done a more 'complicated' repair that needed a proper camber to match the hull. I could not find ANY fiberglass 'specialists' who would give me the time of day at their mostly $80/hour rates (figured into my repair estimate for Boat US).
I read some books and other websites that detail repair techniques using fiberglass (epoxy + glass): Fiberglass Boat Repair and Restoration
I ended up building a mold for the outside of the hull using a very thin plywood that would bend to match the hull shape (this idea came from a book from the UK). For your repairs you might need molds for both the inside (cabin) and outside. I'm still surprised at how well my repair job has held up and is nearly undetectable. Lots of sanding, dust and nasty thinners are involved with the process, but the better I got at it, the cleaner I could work with less clean up and sanding.
I guess what I am saying is that while I have only seen pictures of the damages to S/V Libby I don't think that those damages are much worse then I was able to fix, myself. I had money left over for other goodies for my beloved boat.
I'm not sure how you came up with your estimates for repair or who you used (if you found people willing to offer an estimate). I still think you should contact Baggett & Sons: Baggett and Sons Marine Restoration
They likely charge a lower rate then most commercial enterprises (read rip-offs) but they might also offer you suggestions on how you might be able to repair your beloved boat for much less then the estimates would have you believe.
If you are sold on the idea of a bigger boat with all of the bells and whistles you are used to then please ignore the above. Just remember that ALL boats need a lot of this or that and the nice thing about the devil you know is that you DO know S/V Libby's positive and negative aspects whereas you will have to start all over with a new to you boat.
My $.02.
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