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Cupper3 I dont know where you live or how much you make but you are seriously wrong when it comes to Canadian taxes. They are significantly higher than most industrialized countries. In BC my marginal tax rate is about 48%. I'm not aware of any place in the US that comes close to that unless I'm making $500k/yr. Even then I get to deduct my mortgage interest. Do we have a better medical system than the US, probably. Are there other places with better health care and/or tax systems, definitely.
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Cupper,

Sorry I misread your post about the time it took for you to get the surgery - my mistake. Guess my eyes are getting older faster than I anticipated. Glad you dodged the big bullet.

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Are there waiting lists? You bet, especially for lifestyle induced problems like hip replacement and knee replacements. They are by far the result of being overwieght. I have no empathy for those that now need to go through some quality of life issues when they didn't think about it or did anything to reduce the risk.

Have a medical required procedure? You get taken care of, and now.

Have a pre-existing condition? Your insurance will never get cancelled.

The fact remains, Canada pays 1/3 less as a percentage of GDP on healthcare that the USA does, we live longer and our taxes are lower. I'll take our healthcare over the huge issues my friends in the States have any time.

When I hear that friends need to postpone doctor visits because of the expense of co-pays, when I hear that they do not have the choice of who to see because of HMO's, when I hear that they need to stay in a job they hate because of medical insurance that they would lose because of pre-existing conditions and when I hear that their premiums are in the hundreds and hundreds of dollars, I just wonder how, with all the other innovation that the people of America are famous for, how they can be so bamboozled by the health insurance industry.

I just don't get it.
One of the slippery slopes we don't use so much in the US is rationing according to lifysyle. What if it is genetic? (and you are fat )

Yes, we do have some pretty greedy insurance companies and do need reform there.

Yes the fact remains. But do you live longer because you have a different health care system? No, you don't.

Higher co-pays may be a way for us to begin rationing our over indulgence in all things health care.

All universal govt systems survive by rationing. Ours will have to start doing that too in some fashion because 50% of every Medicare dollar is spent in the last 3 (three) days of a beneficiaries life! That's right. Save Granny!! Do everything! Spare nothing!----that will have to change.

My Canadian friend's mom had a MRI. Yep, you got cancer here there and everywhere. Call your minister and your family. Here it is call the oncologist and lets see what we can do about it. Spend and spend.

And then there are the two 75 year olds. One healthy (could live to be 100), the other not (probably keel in a few months) but both on the same rationing.

That is not fair or right either.

Neither system is really good and fair.

Nice that you are Canadian and live in Canada and like your system.

Stay there.

We will work something out here as we get the public to learn more of the hard truths about some conditions and their real prognoses.
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I am a native Texan and have spent a fair amount of time in Mexico over the last couple of decades. There are some beautiful out of the way, not overly touristy places. Progresso (inland a bit). Isla Mujeres (becoming a little more touoristy, but they still don't allow gas burning motor vehicles on the island).. so a slower pace is garaunteed.
As far as medicine goes.... YES, when you remove the corrupt Pharma companies, and the Corrupt insurance companies.....both of which have to grease the corrupt politicians.... It is AMAZING how inexpensive "unisnsured" care and medicine really is.
I have an old ACL (knee) injury, and 3 years ago I twisted it getting off of a boat Cozumel. I was in a lot of pain. I went to a local pharmacy bought 10 prescription strength pain pills, for $12 and 3 days later the swelling was down....I didn't have to suffer through the pain..and all was better.
The trip to to the pharmacy was 10 minutes, and I was out a total of $20 including cab fare.
Compare that to state-side : $200 a month in medical insurance premiums, to take Half a day off of work, to sit in a Dr. office, to pay a $20 co-pay, and get a note (RX), to go to a pharmacy to pay a $20 deductible, to get pills worth about $5 in REAL money. So State side WITH insurance = about $240 and half a day. Over there without insurance cost me $20 and about 30 minutes for the same results.
Amazing how effeceint and affordable healthcare can be, when there is some similance of a "CAP" or limit to the corruption controlling it.

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The reality of the Canadian health care system is that a bureaucrat, not a doctor will determine what your healthcare needs are.

Friend of mine in Canada and I both injured a knee playing hockey on a Sunday. Monday I scheduled an MRI in the morning and had it read and got checked out by a knee doctor. All was well, just a sprain.

My friend was not so fortunate. He waited six months to get an MRI (guess Canadian medicine is way behind US) and he needed surgery. His bureaucrat determine that he was not a professional athlete so the motherland, oh I mean Canada didn't see the need to fix it. He could just use a cane with a slight limp.

Socialism sees no value in the individual. Unless you are a party member of status. My friend had no political connections to get his "priority" elevated. At least I have the opportunity to change my "priority".
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The reality of the Canadian health care system is that a bureaucrat, not a doctor will determine what your healthcare needs are.
That is unadulterated B.S.!!!!

I am Canadian, and needed to use the system a few years ago for a serious illness. Guess what? My choice of doctor, my choice of specialist and my needs met NOW. No delays, no 'panels' and no bureaucrats.

I called my doctor for to get an annual done last month, I was in 3 days later, he wanted a specialist to check out one thing, I saw that specialist 4 days later, and all was fine.

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Friend of mine in Canada and I both injured a knee playing hockey on a Sunday. Monday I scheduled an MRI in the morning and had it read and got checked out by a knee doctor. All was well, just a sprain.

My friend was not so fortunate. He waited six months to get an MRI (guess Canadian medicine is way behind US) and he needed surgery. His bureaucrat determine that he was not a professional athlete so the motherland, oh I mean Canada didn't see the need to fix it. He could just use a cane with a slight limp.
Yup, but he could have gone to a private MRI and got it done the same day, at worst the next. He chose the government pay route. His obviously was not a life threatening issue. I had my MRI and catscans done as needed. No waiting. No charge.

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Socialism sees no value in the individual. Unless you are a party member of status. My friend had no political connections to get his "priority" elevated. At least I have the opportunity to change my "priority".
Your friend had the option of going to a private MRI clinic. Your point is?

Keep in mind, Canada sends 1/3 less as a percentage of GDP on healthcare as opposed to the USA and guess what? We get better results... we live longer.

Our taxes are less... even Romney commented on that in the debate last night. Our debt as a percentage of GDP is far less than yours, and our deficit should be gone in 3 years. We have a trade surplus, and considerably less unemployment than the USA. Our banking system is recognized as the best in the G8.

I would not trade you my health care system for yours ever. My friends in the States, who have healthcare coverage, can only go to doctors their HMO allows, need pre-approval on procedures, have to consider their co-pays in the timing of appointments, and need to make decisions based on financial considerations, and not health ones. And they work for a government agency, not a private concern.

I don't lose coverage due to preexisting conditions, and I don't have to worry about changing jobs and worrying about what will change in my coverage.

Nope, won't trade ours for yours, ever. We pay less to get healthcare and we live longer. The proof is in the pudding.
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Tapske, I agree completely with everything you said.
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cupper. Who is asking you to trade? Why do private MRI facilities even exist up there?

The US healthcare system is broken and we didn't come close to fixing it with Obamacare. That was predominantly a social program, not a fix. However, when we do, the Canadian system won't have the same availability it has today. Like all business, your most profitable customers are typically carrying the load for the rest. Business considers the smaller players to be incremental profit at lower margins, that's how Canada gets away with negotiating capped pharma costs with the suppliers. However, once you start making less on your most profitable, that gets passed to the rest. If I were in your shoes, I would want the US to keep things just the way there are, but we won't.

Mexico is going to have the same problem. However, Mexico also has a serious pharma counterfeiting problem. One out of every 10, in fact. Counterfeiting exists everywhere, but can you imagine going to a pharmacy in the US and thinking there is a 1 in 10 chance that your bottle is fake? That's scary.

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That is unadulterated B.S.!!!!

I am Canadian, and needed to use the system a few years ago for a serious illness. Guess what? My choice of doctor, my choice of specialist and my needs met NOW. No delays, no 'panels' and no bureaucrats.

I called my doctor for to get an annual done last month, I was in 3 days later, he wanted a specialist to check out one thing, I saw that specialist 4 days later, and all was fine.



Yup, but he could have gone to a private MRI and got it done the same day, at worst the next. He chose the government pay route. His obviously was not a life threatening issue. I had my MRI and catscans done as needed. No waiting. No charge.



Your friend had the option of going to a private MRI clinic. Your point is?

Keep in mind, Canada sends 1/3 less as a percentage of GDP on healthcare as opposed to the USA and guess what? We get better results... we live longer.

Our taxes are less... even Romney commented on that in the debate last night. Our debt as a percentage of GDP is far less than yours, and our deficit should be gone in 3 years. We have a trade surplus, and considerably less unemployment than the USA. Our banking system is recognized as the best in the G8.

I would not trade you my health care system for yours ever. My friends in the States, who have healthcare coverage, can only go to doctors their HMO allows, need pre-approval on procedures, have to consider their co-pays in the timing of appointments, and need to make decisions based on financial considerations, and not health ones. And they work for a government agency, not a private concern.

I don't lose coverage due to preexisting conditions, and I don't have to worry about changing jobs and worrying about what will change in my coverage.

Nope, won't trade ours for yours, ever. We pay less to get healthcare and we live longer. The proof is in the pudding.
Sounds more to me like you got lucky... Are you in BC? My experience and the experience of most of my friends is very different. I've been on waiting lists and trying to get a doctor for a couple years now. My choices are the walk in clinics(where you are under pressure to hurry up and leave and have <10 minutes to meet, explain try and convince them to think about checking something, or the ER(where you wait even more hours than the walk in, last time was several hours while I was coughing up blood, and almost unable to breathe, to be given a chest x-ray and told to piss off as it "probably wasn't TB or cancer"). Wwhether the cause is immediately life threatening or not, I'd prefer not to feel like I'm drowning if I lie down, this has happened at least once a year for the last several.

Even relatively minor stuff, which I know could be inexpensively dealt with and which would make a big difference to pain at work for me won't be done(cost about 10$ for a syringe every few months, or a very short day surgery).
The reason nobody would deal with it, and the first time I even found out it could be dealt with was when I was dating a doctor's daughter.
He was not surprised, but gave me a good explanation as to why they'd always told me it was something that couldn't be fixed, as the billing they could send the government for dealing with it wouldn't cover their cost for it, and that it was a common problem with Canadian medical care. He fixed it in under a minute, with a single small syringe. The only doctor back here I could bother into dealing with it took a half hour, poked my wrist full of holes, broke a syringe and generally made a mess.

He figured out a few other health issues I've had for years, and suggested that I see if I could pester a doctor here into sending me to a specialist, but I've had no luck so far.
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He was not surprised, but gave me a good explanation as to why they'd always told me it was something that couldn't be fixed, as the billing they could send the government for dealing with it wouldn't cover their cost for it, and that it was a common problem with Canadian medical care. He fixed it in under a minute, with a single small syringe. The only doctor back here I could bother into dealing with it took a half hour, poked my wrist full of holes, broke a syringe and generally made a mess.

He figured out a few other health issues I've had for years, and suggested that I see if I could pester a doctor here into sending me to a specialist, but I've had no luck so far.
It is unconscionable that a doctor would not treat you.

I just had a friend give me the bad news he was diagnosed with a tumor in his bowels on Thursday. He will be in surgery on Tuesday to get it removed. I cannot think of a possible faster situation any where.

It just reaffirms to me, at least in Alberta, that if you need health care, it's there. I suspect YMMV depending on where you live, but I'm sure that is the case in United States, and I know it is in Germany and Ireland, where I have cousins who are doctors.svs
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