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Yes, and sometimes the courts shown enough self-restraint to say that "suspicion" has to be documented per a standard list of "suspicious" behavior. The debate has been going on for more than a couple hundred years, it is unlikely to be decided this week or next.
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I was with a group of friends in the San Juans and we were 1st boarded by the CG and searched while they checked our IDs these guys were very through a professional almost to the point of being jerks and the next day we were boarded by the Border Patrol and these guys it was most like a social visit they told us a story of catching a fugitive trying to slip into Canada..and on the 3rd day the same CG boat hailed us and came along side they counted us and left...fun trip....
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There's no 'debate'; USCG boarding a vessel, moored or in motion, while wielding M-16s is an armed home invasion if you live aboard. If there's no probable cause, they've committed a criminal act.

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This post portrays ignorance that is just mind-boggling. You seriously need to bone up on the ACTUAL law. Not what you believe, not what your buddy told you, not what you've read somewhere in a blog or forum. It's not difficult at all. The law was cited here in this forum, well before your post.
Don't give a damn what your faux 'law' says. I didn't help write that fake 'law', didn't agree to that 'law', didn't elect the corrupt creeps who 'enacted' that 'law', and their agents are almost all armed criminals ready to do murder at the drop of a hat.

We may allow them their crimes due to force majure, but we don't need to ever excuse their abuses.

Either the Bill of Rights actually means what is written in it, or it's just toilet paper for the creeps with tax-funded weapons and equipment. That's a horrific situation you describe, wherein victims pay taxes so that thugs are fully-equipped to oppress them.

A private sailing vessel in which folk live is an abode, not an industrial plant nor a commercial office. Natural persons have human rights, and to pretend otherwise is to line up as an apologist for evil, as a minion of a national-socialist or totalitarian-socialist State.

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Run for office, win and propose a change in the law. The law is pretty clear, like it or not. Every human makes a mistake, but you can't condemn the entire bushel for a bad apple.

You can rant all you like on the internet, but that won't change anything. Probably doesn't even make you feel better.


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Re: rammed:by the customs & border patrol

I've never felt threatend when the coasties come around, I've never seen any m-16. They have side arm's. Often they ask permision to board and chose not to. They are polite and unabtrusive, They respect my privacy and normally are just checking flares and life Jacket's registration and they run your name. It's the way of the High Sea's. If you don't like it, don't go to sea. People like Cherev, usually have an imaginary idea of what a boarding is like. I don't particulary care for the Coast Scout's administratve or law enforcement branch, But I understand the rules of the sea, and also the age we live in, with drugs and people smuggl'n, so I allow them to carry out their duties and go on their way.

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I think the most scary thing I've seen with the USCG and their weapons was some years ago, way pre-9/11, when a 44(?) went flying up NY's East River past us, near the UN. With the machine gun on the port side MANNED and UNCOVERED.

I don't care if it was Martians, narcoterrorists, of the whole damned Soviet Army they were anticipating, there is simply no safe way to discharge machine guns when the background is Manhattan Island downrange of the muzzles.

So, strangers with guns? Uniforms are nice, but I don't like seeing fingers near triggers when I don't know who they are or what they're up to.

Of course it doesn't help that the NYPD enjoyed a reputation for some of the worst firearms discipline in the nation...ask any gunsmith why Glock offers an "NYPD trigger job" on their pistols now. After nine NYPD managed to literally shoot their own feet while drawing their weapons some years ago.
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I see the Coast Gaurd all day every day zooming past our tug in Miami Harbour with a kid on the bow manning the big machine gun. They escort the Cruise Ships. It makes us feel safe, sitting there on a loaded fuel barge, they are the first line of defense out here. iIve never been boarded by a boat with that gun on the bow. Travel around Central America, and the guy pumping gas has a pistol grip shot gun, the guy delivering pepsi has the same. The guy standing near the atm has an m-16 with duck tape on the magazine, You don't see this so much in the suburb, non border states so I guess it's shocking for some when they venture out of the safe confines of Americaville and get out on the front lines.
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"an m-16 with duck tape on the magazine"
That would be, DuckŪ Brand Duct Tape on the magazine. I didn't know they exported to the overseas market. (G)
I don't remember if it is the Uzi or the Galil that actually has a bottle opener built into it. Aren't we fortunate that pop-top cans have made that obsolete.

In some places, sure, guns are normal. Fingers on the trigger, not so normal.

Of course, my swiss army knife managed to travel all over the world without hijacking any aircraft. Don't know how that happened, everyone tells me they're SO dangerous now.
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Run for office, win and propose a change in the law. The law is pretty clear, like it or not. Every human makes a mistake, but you can't condemn the entire bushel for a bad apple.

You can rant all you like on the internet, but that won't change anything. Probably doesn't even make you feel better.
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I guess if we don't agree to the law we just ignore them.
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I guess if we don't agree to the law we just ignore them.

Especially when it comes to dumping head waste overboard......
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