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Re: Making a living as a liveaboard

Divemasters don't pay well. Here in the Philippines they typically get about $2 per person/dive and only usually do 3 dives per day. Nite dives pay more but usually got to senior staff. I think the most divers they can dive with is 6. Most I know here live like backpackers, if that suits you.
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Re: Making a living as a liveaboard

Vessel delivery has worked great for me,once you get a good solid reputation it leads to other work. Something is always new when you're on someone else's vessel,certainly never boring. I am also a shipwright and engineer and can do repairs to other peoples vessels or on my own boat. CaptG
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Re: Making a living as a liveaboard

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Agree, but it was IT that gave me that opportunity. Thankfully, most of it has been while also living aboard and coastal cruising.
Not putting it down. It allowed my wife and I to live very comfortably and sail beautiful boats but our definition of cruising includes leaving our professional lives behind.

Our next jobs will be recreation based. Mountain biking, diving, marine. skiing, etc.
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Re: Making a living as a liveaboard

Another option is to let taking care of yourself be your new business.

There is a certain kind of math that happens in people's minds in America where they figure out that a lot of things aren't worth their time and energy because time is their most precious commodity. But that math can also work in reverse, if you let it, and you can spend more time doing things for yourself and need much less money to the point that you need almost no money at all. You can get to the point that you only need money for things that you couldn't possibly do yourself, such as purchasing gasoline because obviously you aren't going to drill for oil and refine it yourself.

The point of that is that instead of trying to figure out new ways to make money so that you can buy fish, maybe a cruiser's new job can be to catch fish. Instead of figuring out how to get money for diesel, maybe the cruiser's new job can be to learn to sail without using the motor. Instead of figuring out how to purchase new sails, maybe the cruiser's new job can be to get the material and learn to sew the sails themselves. Instead of trying to make money to purchase chunky soup, maybe the cruiser's new job can be to locate inexpensive basic ingredients and pressure can their own soup.

Is it "wasting time doing what you could pay someone else to do" when you have all the time in the world and making money starts to be the challenge ? What are people saving all that time and energy up to do, exactly, when most of their time is spent sitting on the boat doing very little except watching the clouds float by ?
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Re: Making a living as a liveaboard

I think there are very few jobs that can be done while cruising if you wish to keep moving, ie actively cruising.

The IT idea sounds fine but I think there are very few in our size boats actively cruising because the Internet is so iffy in many places. And the person who can spent $10,000 per month on satelite broadband would be in a bigger boat...

There are some who may be making a few spending dollars but not a reasonable portion of a budget and probably investing lots of hours.

If you are going to profit by $30,000 per year there must be clients who do Ned to see you, and have good land based system.

The yacht delivery people need to be in a good area to work... A week delivery from Ft Lauderdale will not fly in a skipper from Pago Pago.
It takes years to get the reputation and what do you ,do with your boat when away? Marinas can be expensive so you are on half dollars!
Many have to crew for a long time for free to get the reputation.

Sowing, covers, sail rite machines.... God there are so many older ladies trying to offer this one. But once cruising the need for winch covers just doesn't exist! (Btw if looking for someone to do some work, just stop past any boat with winch covers! They do it!!)

Hull cleaning. Locals come cheaper than you. Venuzalea was $10 per DAY for labour so how much can you charge for 1 hour?


Hair cutting not many do this one. But you only get $10 per cut. Many have very long hair cruising (males mid life crisis means they grow a pony tail! Women how can you bare it? I'm single. give him the heave Ho and come live with a shaved short haired non smelly man)

Consultancy work from old profession. There are few that can hide away even just giving advice. Lawyers, but is all their info now on the web or do they still need a law library?

Doing jobs for cruisers... Other cruisers seem pretty independent and don't need paid help. Making this more difficult is that most cruisers will volunteer to help someone's problem for no pay to get Karma Points.

Marine mechanic, electronics, etc. need to be in one place for a long time. Local laws etc. other cruisers won't pay. Cruiser mechanics charge too much... Generally $30 to $50 per hour when the Yanmar guy charges $50 with parts, warranty, specialist knowledge. I prefer to use the Yanmar guy at the higher rate unless I absolutely know the cheaper person.

Lots of bum alcoholics are cruising the world looking for any dollar and if you say can you do x they say yes and stuff it up. It means few will use another cruiser unless they have a great reputation.

So how would I earn money?
I think I would do the 6 months at home, 6 months cruising. No matter how poor you think your economy, it's vastly better than some island in the middle of nowhere, and in your country the dollars are real and substantial....

It's difficult... And a question asked so often... But in my four years afloat I have met NO ONE making a dollar more than just small pin money. Certainly none who are making good money.


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Dive Master.
Become a dive master. Get a job as a dive master, Live near the dive shop on the sailboat. Pick a place, let's say Roatan. Apply for a job as dive Master based on your current job as dive master. Sail to Roatan, anchor out and live on your boat and work as a dive master. Pick a place, Mexico, apply for a job, based on your current job in Roatan, sail to Mexico, anchor out near the dive shop and work as a dive master, pick a place...Bahamas, apply for a job as a dive master, based on your expeirence as a dive master in the first shop, Roatan and Mexico, sail to the Bahamas, work as a dive Master, pick a place, St. Thomas............................................ ............
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Re: Making a living as a liveaboard

It was suggested by a friend; that If I were to retire and cruise, I could, consult, service, and help owners with HVACR. Since that is what I know and do best.

Well, I'm retired... sort of LOL

I'm still All around epa certified HVACR tech and former full service contractor. (let the last full time employee go over 8 yrs ago)

Boat, like domestic (home refrigerators) AC/fridges/ reverse cycle are really A PITA.

Don't think I want the aggravation of boat owners screaming at me in 90-110 heat because beer is warm, or ice cream is melting... Boating should be fun right?

If I had refrigerants on my boat with associated equipment someone would be sure to steal it. especially R-12 Then there's 22, R134, 404A, 409, 410A,and a few others LOL

Then, there's the guarded and somewhat hostile " Approved; yard employed or associated" contractors. (20%) is the usual cut. That would be a difficult thing to get past in most places.

And, since most if not all people needing HVACR help won't know me or my real qualifications, they wouldn't hire me anyway.

Imagine ( I go to sleep early) getting boarded by a few tipsy sailors saying; "oh Denise won't mind if we borrow her vacuum pump and gauges" Then I hear 30lbs of 134 hi$$ing out the can as it goes overboard "oh look she has R-12 too! HEY! DENISE YOU SLEEPING???"

So.... No! I don't think I could work and live aboard!

Nope.. not another day in paradise found!
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Re: Making a living as a liveaboard

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Divemasters don't pay well. Here in the Philippines they typically get about $2 per person/dive and only usually do 3 dives per day. Nite dives pay more but usually got to senior staff. I think the most divers they can dive with is 6. Most I know here live like backpackers, if that suits you.
Good dive masters at good dive shop's and resorts make a decent living. Club Med in Eluthra pay's wee bit more than 12 dollars a dive, and tip's add up. I made 30 buck's adive in Belize 20 years ago and made 20 bucks a dive in tips. I did at least 2 dives a day no less than 4 day's a week. Lived on my boat for free.
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Good dive masters at good dive shop's and resorts make a decent living. Club Med in Eluthra pay's wee bit more than 12 dollars a dive, and tip's add up. I made 30 buck's adive in Belize 20 years ago and made 20 bucks a dive in tips. I did at least 2 dives a day no less than 4 day's a week. Lived on my boat for free.
But Aaron,

They are not cruising jobs. You are stuck there. Maybe for years.
Where do you leave the boat when you ave a job at Club Med?

And don't try break in to commercial diving work... The local divers will have you straight into immigration.

So it's a long hard process to get accepted.

I was reading that the 1 year work permit paper for St Martin is $1,600! That's a lot of $12 dives!
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Re: Making a living as a liveaboard

It's a little different then that in the dive Master world. You get a job at shop in Roatan, this is a temp job, dive master's can be rather transient when your in the scene. You fall in to a temp work visa under a resort work umbrella. You anchor out, live on your boat and work the shop for a few months. One job leads to another in that world, you find out so and so shop is looking for a dive master in another place and you sail there. I've cruised the Carribean Western Carribean this way. I was working on a research vessel in Belize in 1990-1991, I brought down my sail boat from Key West and anchored next to the research vessel. I was offerd a job on the Belize Agressor ( Live aboard Dive boat) they handle your right to work under their umbrella. I worked a few months, I found out they where looking for a dive master in Acumal Mexico, I sailed up anchored out near the resort, worked through spring as a dive masrter, found out they where looking for a dive master in the Key's,, sailed up, anchored out, worked through the summer, found out my buddy from Acumal was opening a shop In Roatan, sailed down worked through the winter. I only suggested it because I've done it and probably will again. I own a dive boat in Key west and and use transient dive master's, one who lived on his boat and got a job at Paradise Island in the Bahama's at Club Med and is over there anchored out swimming distance from the resort, working as dive master, and is looking for a job in in the Caribbean and plans to sail down there when they find one. You can't just cruise at will, you pick a nice place, put the word out, build a rep, make the circut.
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