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Brian- You sir are a cruiser. G-d bless you and all who sail with you. I may go cruising and hope shortly to be a cruiser but you are a cruiser by anyone's definition.
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Some of our differences in opinion are also cultural, Paulo. The literal use of the word 'cruiser' is different here I think than maybe how it is literally translated in Europe. And I have never heard anyone called a voyager, and I have done this since 1995. You are the first person to use that word to me. THat is another reason I think we see things differently.
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I have posted on this thread the definitions I could find regarding cruising. It seems to me that they are pretty universal:

To sail or travel about, as for pleasure or reconnaissance.
To go or move along, especially in an unhurried or unconcerned fashion...
cruise - definition of cruise by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

to travel without destination or purpose
Cruise - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

to sail about on a pleasure trip.
to travel about without a particular purpose or destination.
Cruise | Define Cruise at Dictionary.com

sail about in an area without a precise destination, especially for pleasure
Definition of cruise in Oxford Dictionaries (British & World English)


I pretty much agree with them.

Regarding to voyage and to cruise, there are a big difference, a voyager does not travel without destination or purpose. When I cruise most of the times I don't know where I am going to pass the night. I study the options and then let the wind and sea pretty much decide the better option to anchor. When I voyage I want to go from point A to B and want to do it as fast as I can. There is a big difference.

Regarding the term voyager used to sailors it is not very common, but there are some that voyage much more time than what they cruise and curiously the term voyage boat exist (at least in Europe) and correspond to a boat adapted for that kind of sailors.

Voyager, definitions:

A long journey to a foreign or distant place, especially by sea.
To sail across; traverse


voyager - definition of voyager by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.


.. travel, or passage, esp one to a distant land or by sea or air
...to travel over or traverse (something)..

Voyager | Define Voyager at Dictionary.com

someone who travels on a long journey, especially by boat

voyager - definition of voyager by Macmillan Dictionary

But maybe you are right in what regards to the word voyager to have a slightly different meaning in Europe, after all it come from the Latin. Here the word seems not to have that (going to) "far away" meaning that seems to be vulgar in American English. Looking at a Portuguese dictionary (and in French would be the same) the meaning is (translated):

Going from one place to another relatively distant place. .. A person that is voyaging.

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i pass the night at sea or wherever my boat is located.
there are many kinds of cruisers, not just one.
there are vacation cruisers, credit card cruisers, permanent cruisers, trust fund cruisers, disabled cruisers, part time cruisers, full time cruisers..refitting boat cruisers, brand new boat cruisers, ocean liner cruisers, many different kinds.

so have a fun time arguing who is a real cruiser....


my personal favorite is one most call derelict cruiser....rodlmao--they smarter than anyone.


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If ya ain't enjoying life, don't much matter what label ya put on it. There are those who worry about defining their life, and then there's those who just live their life. Under weigh, by sail or motor, tied to a dock or at anchor, overnight stay or thousand night stay, I'm cruising through life .... what ever label you pick for it.

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Paulo,
You talk about stability for the children. With Brian as their father ? I don't know that the two are mutually compatible.

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Your definition does make sense though I still think state of mind is apt.

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You talk about stability for the children. With Brian as their father ? I don't know that the two are mutually compatible.

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You are too bad. I guess that I see it as a teacher with 35 years experience with kids. I knew some kids that had gypsy cruisers as fathers, in fact I become friend with the fathers and later with them.

Basically it will come a time where the knowledge of Brian and his wife will not be enough to school the kids. Normally that will happen at best when they reach 9th grade (it happened sooner with the kids I am talking about). Remember that at that age the kids have already 8 or 9 specialists as teachers, each one very knowledgeable at a particular area of knowledge considered important for their education, not to mention socialization.

At that times boys and girls become also more interested in each other and in variety if you know what I mean.

From that time on Brian would be forced to be on a given place almost all the year and cruise only on the school holidays. He will try to move the boat to live in different places but at that time he will meet a big resistance from the kids.

In the end the kids will meet someone is some place and want to live with him and the family will become scattered. If one of the kids wants to continue sailing, soon it will find a soul mate and he will live to live in another boat or with another person.

Off course that can run in a different direction, I was only putting Brian in my friend's shoes:

I knew him in Peniche, one of his daughters live in Madeira, other in Antwerp, other on Martinique, the wife in London and he unfortunately had already passed way and at that time sailed alone with his wive on the Caribbean. Can you imagine the difficulty in meeting with his kids or to play with the nieces, not to mention helping when it is needed?

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i pass the night at sea or wherever my boat is located.
there are many kinds of cruisers, not just one.
there are vacation cruisers, credit card cruisers, permanent cruisers, trust fund cruisers, disabled cruisers, part time cruisers, full time cruisers..refitting boat cruisers, brand new boat cruisers, ocean liner cruisers, many different kinds.

so have a fun time arguing who is a real cruiser....


my personal favorite is one most call derelict cruiser....rodlmao--they smarter than anyone.
You know, I believe you are absolutely right. You forgot one though: Best looking and smartest cruiser!

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You are too bad. I guess that I see it as a teacher with 35 years experience with kids. I knew some kids that had gypsy cruisers as fathers, in fact I become friend with the fathers and later with them.

Basically it will come a time where the knowledge of Brian and his wife will not be enough to school the kids. Normally that will happen at best when they reach 9th grade (it happened sooner with the kids I am talking about). Remember that at that age the kids have already 8 or 9 specialists as teachers, each one very knowledgeable at a particular area of knowledge considered important for their education, not to mention socialization.

At that times boys and girls become also more interested in each other and in variety if you know what I mean.

From that time on Brian would be forced to be on a given place almost all the year and cruise only on the school holidays. He will try to move the boat to live in different places but at that time he will meet a big resistance from the kids.

In the end the kids will meet someone is some place and want to live with him and the family will become scattered. If one of the kids wants to continue sailing, soon it will find a soul mate and he will live to live in another boat or with another person.

Off course that can run in a different direction, I was only putting Brian in my friend's shoes:

I knew him in Peniche, one of his daughters live in Madeira, other in Antwerp, other on Martinique, the wife in London and he unfortunately had already passed way and at that time sailed alone with his wive on the Caribbean. Can you imagine the difficulty in meeting with his kids or to play with the nieces, not to mention helping when it is needed?

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That's certainly a possibility Paulo.

Like I said, I am writing a book on this and on living aboard. It also has a section on boat selection - you will love it (hehehe). But in all seriousness, what you describe is one of the key things that pass through a parents mind (or should) as cruisers. Mark Of Sea Life pointed that out quit accurately in his post in the Childrens forum. The key to this is not going until you cannot take it anymore, but instead constantly trying to organize your destinations on the kids and making things work for them. One way to do this is finding other kid boats and letting them interact with their peers. They will have the same issues and the same experiences. They generally see life the same and get along well. There have only been two exceptions for us, but that is a different subject.

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Wandering a bit here, but my wife teaches preschool in a relatively affluent neighbourhood, and she hears (from parents and older sibling 'alumni') all about public schooling, home schooling, French immersion, private/religious schools etc.

I think that Paulo is right about limits of home schooling esp the parents are not trained teachers (though many are). However I think the cultural and experiential gains in a cruising lifestyle, esp if it involves international travel, is a valuable factor and provides an 'education' that stay at home children will never get. But at the end of the day (year? 5 years?) the fundamentals have to be covered properly. I think some can do it, some perhaps not so much.

But my biggest concern about the insularity of home schooling or the liveaboard/cruising model is loss of 'real world training' in the social aspects of life.. learning to deal with people that aren't 'nice', being disliked, working with/against peer pressure and all the other subtle situations that come out in a large scale social setting like a normal school. It's not all 'good', but I think it's a necessary lesson to learn as one ventures out into the real world.. it's nice to have at least learned some of those skills before entering the 'real world'...
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Yep faster, you are right. That is why i think it is so critical to find other boat kids.

There are many positives to cruising with kids, but you just pointed out one of the negatives. Of course, it all depends on the child and how long, but when my kids get around other typical american kids, they sometimes have difficulties socializing. Interesting that they seem to get along fine with the typical asian families, though. There are many cultural things that may be common, i guess.

But they have difficulties with bullies and bullying. They simply have not been exposed to much of that. It isn't a function of not taking up for themselves, but not understanding how to react.

It is not to say all cruising kids are great. It still cones down to mom and dad, and there are losers on the water too. So this is all a lot of generalizations, but typically one of the things we face.

There are other ways we have dealt with it for those that are interested.

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