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Re: How to secure a baby

Now you all have me trying to think of a way to make a protective, floating seat for use as a child restraint on a boat. LOL.

I did not mean to "step in it" with my very first post on the forum. I'm sorry about that!

I, too, have concerns about the way sailboats move and children banging around inside them. At this point my youngest child is only just under two, and won't be out on the water until at least next summer (not taking her on a sailboat at ALL until we have some real sailing experience, and we haven't even bought our boat yet). Hopefully by age three she'll be able to sit in a well-padded V-berth when conditions warrant protecting her from the boat's movement. I hadn't really thought before about how to keep an infant safe on a sailboat since I've only taken infants on other types of boats where the primary concern was floatation.

A hammock is the only thing I can think of for an infant but that requires you to have an appropriate place to hang it so I can see how it wouldn't be a solution for every boat. At this point I think you all have me convinced (unintentionally I'm sure) that, personally, a sailboat is no place for my infant (which is no big concern for me since I don't have an infant at the moment).

Clearly what is needed is some kind of protective bed or restraint system that is buoyant. Although some of the lighter-weight car seats probably would float without a baby in them, I am pretty sure they'd all go down like a rock once a child was strapped into them. I suspect maybe the Combi Coccoro might have enough foam in it to keep it on the surface, but it would almost definitely float with the baby's face down in the water and the back of the car seat up in the air. Which would be better than nothing I suppose if rescue was immediate but in any kind of emergency situation involving more than just "baby overboard" it would be pretty bad.

Looks like it's time to start thinking of floating baby restraint/protection systems. What would you all prefer? An inflatable system (so it could be stored easily without taking up space) or a system made out of foam which wouldn't require any set-up (ready to strap baby in at a moment's notice, no risk of getting a hole in it and making it worthless)? I already have some design ideas floating around in my head.
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Re: How to secure a baby

I would not put my child in anything that did not already have "foam" in it. I also do not think the auto-inflates are USCG approved for children unless they have changed the rules.

My first child was on board at 5 days old. He has more miles under him than most the people on this forum. A kid and the right boat is no big deal. Promise. I do think that learning the boat first before throwing Little Johnny aboard is a smart move. Not that it necessarily endagers the child, but it allows you and the spouse to get a better grip on how to sail and master working together without distractions.

Be aware, when sailing with kids, you are basicaly singlehanding (sailing solo). One will be pretty involved witht eh kids while the other is the primary captain. Ii am sure there are exceptions to hat rule, but I don't know them. A s such, it is important both you and spouse are proficient independently on the boat.

Also, teach your kid to swim ASAP. I'm not sure they're ever too young to start. That will relieve a lot of your concerns.

Sailing with children is all about attitude. It is not the baby's atitude, it is mom and dad's. You can make it work. Please don't sweat it. Just be cautious and safety minded, but learn to relax and have a good time. The relax and good time part is more about confidence in yourselves and your abilities on the vessel than the issues with the kiddo. And just a warning, the infant age is the EASY age. You put them, they stay. When they are two-three, that is where it really becomes interesting because they can climb over crib sides, up companionways, over combings, etc. The infant age is a piece of cake.

BTW, it is all worth it. Best decision we ever made taking our kids cruising and we leave again soon. Here's what you have to look forward to...





















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Re: How to secure a baby

I have never felt the V Berth area to be the best place to be in rough conditions, at least what I have experieneced here on the chesapeake, steep short chop. Rather, somewhere in the center of the boat, and as low as possible = better motion. As I said earlier, the pack and play in the salon or our pilot berth was perfect for this. I've been up in our V berth in the rough chop and it was not fun.
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Re: How to secure a baby

I agree that a pack N play seems like a good solution if you can find a place to put it. The boats we're looking at right now are small enough I'm not sure I could find a place for the pack n play.
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Re: How to secure a baby

Strap two fenders to the car seat, and some weight to the base to act as ballast and keep it floating upright in the rare, rare, rare event that the seat may end up overboard unattended.

If no room for a pack n play type kid pen, a hammock seems like a great idea for an infant, and would not need a large space to be hung.
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Re: How to secure a baby

We have taken a car seat on fin keel daysailors (Rhodes 19) as a place to put an infant if a 2nd set of hands was needed in a pinch. HOWEVER, we never strapped our kid into it. He could sit in the seat with his PFD on just fine. And depending on your definition of infant, the straps are for a crash, not to keep the kid from getting out of the seat. Another good option is the seat Cruisingdad shows here:

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Not nearly as heavy as a car seat, but a good restraint, with or without the strap on.
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Re: How to secure a baby

Somewhat related, in terms of securing a baby for a life boating,
by making sure they are prepared in case they do fall in the water.

Children have swiming reflexes, such as holding breath, and moving limbs in swiming from motion from birth.
With regular practice they can incrementally improve their swimming abilities,
initial stages are conditioning, such as pouring water over the face, to trigger the breath holding reflex.
By 6-24 months children can be trained to flip themselves on their back if they fall in the water,
as well as do several seconds swiming, by 3 they can alternate to get to shore.

I think it's best to teach the kids personally,
so they can learn at their own pace with the loving care of their parents.


In terms of "cold-shock" as someone was mentioning about cold water,
this is something that is also completely dependentent on practice and conditioning.

For instance since I was an adolescent my friends and I would brake holes in the ice and go for dips in the winter.
even swiming when it's only a thin layer that can be broken easily.
Though to be safe it's best to keep winter-swims to under a minute,
a properly conditioned person could have fine motor function even for 10 minutes,
and swim as long as 30 minutes even in freezing water with limb movement.
Children have been known to recover from being hypothermacally unconscious for as long as an hour.

Main thing is to have rewarming after any hypothermic experience, preferably while dry,
if it is only mild, and the person is experienced, can passively raise own temperature,
if not, then may need active external heating such as other people, or sauna.
In case of severe hyopthermia (unconsciousness) active internal heating,
such as hot humid air like cpr could work, in combination with others.

When my friends when for dips into the salty pool,
we would run back to the sauna to heat up afterwards.
For good self-passive heating, it's important to eat fats,
especially unsaturated fats like those in nuts and seeds.
Tumo "breath of fire" a rapid breathing meditation is also effective for rewarming.

In terms of physical conditioning, can do so with cool, and then cold showers,
which are healthy, improve immune and organ function anyways,
and lower the chances of you getting cold from a breeze.

I know some parents that did cold showers with their kids,
daily since they were very young till they did it themselves,
and managed to avoid most (possibly all) childhood diseases.
they did it based on Porphyry Ivanov's teachings, who recomends ice cold water

Also note that the mammalian diving reflex is triggered by water under 21Celsius (70f) on the face.
So if doing water birth, it may be a good idea to have relatively (to western hot baths) chilly water,
If doing water conditioning that range would also be most useful for actually triggering the reflex.


edit to add:
note that water under 26 celcius for prolonged periods of time can induce hypothermia,
so likely some kind of compromise is best, likely over 26 and bellow body temperature (36).

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Re: How to secure a baby

Please note that the above post is all second hand information as the poster does not have children yet. Take the info provided with a large grain of salt.
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Re: How to secure a baby

Having had a water birth... I can't imagine anything more uncomfortable than giving birth in a tub of cold water. Just sayin'.
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Re: How to secure a baby

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