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JohnMaschek 11-18-2008 12:55 PM

New sails for CS36T
As stated previously, working on list of things to do until she is finished with blister repair. I am looking at racing/cruising rated sails. Lake Texoma has fairly competitive PHRF racing. Has anyone recently had good experience with new sails for the CS36T? FX sails seem to have better pricing, anyone had any experience? From my reading of reviews, etc., it appears a 135% head sail would be fine. Although I was told my PHRF rating would not change up to 139%.
The big regatta on Texoma is in April, anyone interested in coming down to Texas to help me learn how to race the CS36T? She should be in the water by March, if I'm lucky.

Joh Maschek

121Guy 11-18-2008 04:14 PM

Race Sails
Hi John,

I have sailed on Lake Texoma a couple of times. If the conditions there during your racing season there were like my experiences then you have predominately light air sailing. The CS is a great boat and I think if you are out to have fun, the sail choices won't be as important. If however, the have fun part also contains some planned winning once you get all dialed in, here are my thoughts:

First, is this main and jib racing or with spinnakers?

Second, are the courses windward leeward or triangular with reaching?

Third, who are your most likely competitors, what boats do they sail and what sails do thet have?

Last, if the organizing authority is a local PHRF chapter, read all about the local rules. Examples of these include, maximum size headsail without penalty, credits for smaller than maximum, credits for furling and fixed prop etc. I do not know aht these are around those parts but you should not accept anecdotal info. Get a copy and read them.

Once you have great info on these things, you can decide on what sails make the most sense. In general though, with that boat as heavy and stiff as it is, think bigger and lighter, full size genoa, large roach main, full size symetric spin.

Let us know some more and perhaps you can get some good info.

Good luck,

121 Guy

JohnMaschek 11-19-2008 12:17 PM

Thank you for your reply and very good questions.

Yes, we certainly have some light winds, mostly during the hot summer months.
But during the main regatta in the spring, we have some nice wind. This year was typical, two days of 12 - 18 and one day none.
I plan to start out with just main and jib, racing in the cruising fleet. Most difficult part of spinnaker racing is getting crew.
The courses are mostly windward leeward, but this year there was an off wind leg when the winds were adequate for a longer race.
Most likely competetion will come from Catalina 36 skippered and crewed by ex-SMU sailing team. They sail cruising class.
Thanks for comments on getting the local rules - makes good sense.
Since I have never sailed the CS36T, I have no feeling for how she will do with full sails and good wind. But I am told the boat does well with full power.
Any comments on max wind velocity and full sails?


camaraderie 11-19-2008 01:02 PM

John..I think our member MaineSail has a might want to drop him a PM if he doesn't show up here. Beautiful boats!

121Guy 11-19-2008 02:43 PM

Some more info
Hi John,

Thanks for the added info. So to optomize the 36T to compete with a Catalina 36 in a main and jib fleet, in mostly light air.....on a windward leeward are my thoughts:

Your boat will go a lot higher and faster in light conditions than the Catalina. I'd suggest a 155% or max size all purpose genoa. This sail can be made of Dacron or a lighter and less stretchy material. A good compromise might be a Pin Stripe fabric cut in a tri radial pattern with a taffeta back and light UV protection if it is to be the primary sail stored on a furler. This sail will go from zero to around 15-18Kn apparent wind. At that point you will want a smaller headsail and the 155 might be able to roll up to maybe 130% if it is done right. I'd also take the current headsail you have with the boat and if ii heavy enough consider asking the same guy that makes the new sail to evaluate it as candidate to be cut down to a 100% blade. On really windy days this will be nice to have. The big genoa will help you three ways against the Catalina, you will go upwind better, you will reach better and if you get a whisker pole, you will go down wind better.

For the main, I'd suggest a dacron cross cut main with two full battens on top and two partial battens low. I prefer a loose foot as well. I'd also make this one as large as you can and work through the sailmaker how large it can be before the roach interferes with the backstay when tacking. This is particularly annoying in light air. You can use a small roller set up high on the backstay to help the sail across, or make one that doesn't hit.

To get the most out of the boat, consider that a clean fast bottom, a folding prop and a backstay adjuster and easy to use sail controls are very important. If the boat does not have one, I'd alos consider a solid vang as iy will hold the main up in light air.

We had both a CS 36T and a 36 Merlin in our PHRF fleet and they are both very nice boats to race!

Good luck!

121 Guy

sailingfool 11-19-2008 03:22 PM

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I would say a 150% would be your first and primary racing sail, the extra power of the sail is well worth the rating loss of 3-6 seconds per mile. The 36T is a heavy boat and needs the drive to move in light to mid-strength air. Beating or power reaching in 15 knots of wind will put a BIG smile on your face. I would advise contracting with a local sailmaker for a racing sail, string or tapes IMHO, expect to pay $4500-5500. Use someone who will come out and measure the boat, if you have furling gear installed you can't count on the standard spec dimensions. Don't expect to roller reef the sail and race the resulting mess, get two reefs in a dacron main, that will cover you to the low 20's, the 36T is a very stiff boat (or do you have a mini-keel?).

Anyhow, if you get your boat even reasonably dialed in, you should be able to do a horizon job (they have horizons on the lake?) any day on a Catalina 36, regardless of who is driving it...

blt2ski 11-20-2008 05:22 PM

If you have really light wind days, a 134-140'ish drifter/reacher with 1.5oz nylon spin cloth could be a good sail to have in repatore too. Here in the NW we get some summer eve races that includes a max wind to 5 maybe 6 knots if lucky. So even those with the lighter Carbon 155's have problems in these winds, where those with the nylon jibs will go forward.

Otherwise, a good dacron main or a dac/mylar would be good, as would the BEST quality Genoa you can afford too. Go fo teh 155 and the few seconds you lose, probably 6 you will gain more than that in real time at the end of the day. I did getting a carbon 155 last month in the few times I Have been out so far over the 135 I had/still have but sitting in the garage at home.

A folding prop will also net you more than the 6 secs you lose going with one of them vs a fixed also as mentioned.


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