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GordZ 08-20-2012 11:41 AM

New to CS30
Hi I'm new to this Forum. Sold my 37' Looking at a couple of CS30's shoal draft. What should I look for? We have cruised extensivly to the Caraibbean, Bahamas Florida on our 37 but want to do some land exploring and the oppertunity presented it self this year with the sale of our Lady Simcoe. I will probably do some club racing and maybe another trip or 2 to Georgian Bay. Have looked at a couple they look solid but what do you really look for? I have talked to a few oeners asking what do you dislike about the boat? Have found out the PHRF ratings seems a huge gap between NFS and FS bit puzzling. Is it true that they don't point very well? Have raced against a wingkeel version they seem to be on par or a bit quicker than a CC27 about the same as a CC30. Leaning towards the shoal version apposed to the wing keel. Any opinions would be appreciated.

chamonix 08-30-2012 12:32 PM

Re: New to CS30
We bought our cs30 three years ago, and for the most part have been very happy with it. It is a great boat for a couple on the Great Lakes. As far as sailing is concerned I would say it is very good. My wife and I are not racers or really sailors for that matter but it doesn't take much to get the boat going at a good clip.
Not sure where you were told that they don't point well. I can easily get our boat to 40 degrees and sometimes to 30. Keep in mind that what I know about sail trim could fit on a matchbook cover. This is with a 5'6" deep keel.
My only regret is the 5'6" keel. We are on georgian Bay and I've already hit two rocks this season with the bottom of my keel ( its part of my cunning plan to turn it into a shoal keel a bit at a time ). If I had to do it again I would get a CS30 with the shoal keel rather than the deep keel or even wing keel. Take my word for it, there are a lot of rocks in the 30,000 island part of Georgian Bay. But as I said we are not racers, and pointing ability while handy at times, is of less importance to us.

GordZ 08-30-2012 01:12 PM

Re: New to CS30
Hi chamonix,
I've been to Georgian Bay many times on my previous boat and if you say you haven't touched bottom in Georgian Bay you haven't been there or you are kidding yourself. I bought a CS30 in Brighton last week it's a shoal draft and is a down size to my previous 37' that we sailed to the Carabbean and back (A two year adventure) We are down sizing and will be sailing and racing on Lake Simcoe with a couple of trips up to the North Channel to pic blueberry's. Glad to here that they point ok I think it was a CC30 owner who said they didn't point. I sailed a wing keel CS30 in a race last weekend seems to point just fine however we had very light air.

dobbinite 02-26-2013 12:08 AM

Re: New to CS30
I owned a new CS30 for 20 years, sold it in 2004. Berthed mostly in Alameda, we sailed San Francisco bay and the California coast from Monterey to Bodega Bay. It was great boat. I once considered sailing to Hawaii, but finally determined it did not have enough storage for food and water for a safe trip for more than one person. The only drawback I recall was that it would round-up too easy with a spinaker in a gust due to the short fin keel pitching out. The spars were seriously supported by the oversized rigging. It sailed fast but was handicapped by PHRF so we never won any races. It could be set up for singlehandling easily. Handling was excellent in heavy or light air.

GordZ 02-27-2013 09:21 AM

Re: New to CS30
Good to here from a CS30 owner I was wondering if some one would answer me. I am looking forward to Spring and launch. We have a pretty good racing fleet here on Lake Simcoe with 5 clubs around the lake. I have being planning some up grades over the winter and come mid March will get the tarp off. I will replace all the halyards and running rigging as well as adding a hydraulic back stay the packing gland leaks like a sive it will be replaced with a PSS seal on the shaft. I have a feathering prop which I will fit to the boat. A new headsail 145% & Gennaker and the bottom is to be sanded and faired. She should be a pretty good club racer as I have raced on a couple of CS30's. Good to here from you.

dobbinite 02-28-2013 07:31 PM

Re: New to CS30
My friend installed a hydralic backstay on his CS30 years ago and when he cranked it up one time in a blow, it pulled the roller furling head stay out of the bow stem fitting. That big cast stem fitting holding it just exploded and the head stay and jib was whipping around. He turned downwind as quick as he could and saved the mast. I think the baby stay really helped saved his mast. When he got the boat back to the boat yard, he had all kinds of horror stories about getting that stem fitting replaced. After that, we all put safety cables on our stem fitting to head stay link.

Also in the last post, I mentioned rounding up too easy, I meant it was because the fin rudder is too short, not the keel. A simple solution might be to put a water bladder or tank under the stern seat to give some ballast when running or reaching. Then pump the water out when going to weather.

I always had trouble with the packing gland leaking, had to adjust it a lot. The PSS solution should work good.

boatpoker 03-01-2013 08:49 AM

Re: New to CS30
If you "always" had trouble with the stuffing box leaking then your shaft alignment may be in question. If this is the case a dripless seal type stuffing box will not last very long either and it cannot be adjusted in water like a conventional stuffing box.

dobbinite 03-01-2013 11:13 AM

Re: New to CS30
The CS30 packing gland was in a very tight place behind the engine and you need to use a special wrench.. Actually it takes 2 wrenches. It also helps to be sort of a contortionist. You need to constantly keep a check on it to have the occasional drip. Too tight stopped the drip but burned up the packing material and scored the shaft. Too loose and it leaked profusely under the engine. It is hard to get more than one hand at a time back there. If you forgot to put it in reverse while sailing with the motor off, you run the risk of loosening the gland while the prop and shaft freewheels.

If there is a shaft alignment problem, that can be determined on a regular haulout.
The PSS gland should work well IF there is enough room to fit it in there.

Oaksail 03-03-2013 04:47 PM

Re: New to CS30

Originally Posted by dobbinite (Post 996885)
The PSS gland should work well IF there is enough room to fit it in there.

PSS fits nicely and not a drop of water gets in.

GordZ 03-03-2013 07:29 PM

Re: New to CS30
Pic is great where is the vent hose going? Looks like it is up into the engine compartment.
As soon as the weather get's a bit warmere I will take on the project.
Again Thanks from
"Splash Gordon"

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