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Universal M25 and a Cascade 36

I'm looking at repowering my Cascade 36 and I'm wondering what the opinion is of doing this with a Universal M25. The boat currnetly has an old Volvo MD2B @ 25hp. The MD2B has some oil leaks and has started to run hot (200-205 at "cruising speed") all the time. I hope to some decent cruising around in the near future and I'm pretty sure the MD2B will need to be replaced before that happens.

Sailboatdata.com has the Cascade 36 weighing in at 12500 lbs. Will a Universal M25 @ 22hp be enough engine for this boat?
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I'm looking at repowering my Cascade 36 and I'm wondering what the opinion is of doing this with a Universal M25. The boat currnetly has an old Volvo MD2B @ 25hp. The MD2B has some oil leaks and has started to run hot (200-205 at "cruising speed") all the time. I hope to some decent cruising around in the near future and I'm pretty sure the MD2B will need to be replaced before that happens.

Sailboatdata.com has the Cascade 36 weighing in at 12500 lbs. Will a Universal M25 @ 22hp be enough engine for this boat?
They put them in Catalina 34's & 36's and Ericson 34's & 35-3's, among others, and they do just fine.. Just make sure it is not over propped.
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I'm looking at repowering my Cascade 36 and I'm wondering what the opinion is of doing this with a Universal M25. The boat currnetly has an old Volvo MD2B @ 25hp. The MD2B has some oil leaks and has started to run hot (200-205 at "cruising speed") all the time. I hope to some decent cruising around in the near future and I'm pretty sure the MD2B will need to be replaced before that happens.

Sailboatdata.com has the Cascade 36 weighing in at 12500 lbs. Will a Universal M25 @ 22hp be enough engine for this boat?
Why don't you try the fixes under cooling system maintenance :

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A lot cheaper than a new engine.
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Bass :

I have the MD17C powering my 22,000 lbf USC Union Polaris.

When it was running hot back in 1993, I took the exhaust manifold off and it was apparent why it was running hot. There was obvious scaling on the coolant entry ports to the cylinder heads, the forward one in particular.

It was easlily cleared with a screwdriver and coat-hanger wire.

Therafter, the motor has never overheated.

Check first though that your thermostat is not getting tired. The water temperature guage typically should not rise much above 11 O'clock, then be seen to drop off as the thermostat opens. If it gets past about 1 O'clock, or stays in the red, then I really would suspect the thermostat. Try just taking it out and make a wee paper gasket for the seal surface. If the motor runs cool again, then you have a thermostat problem.
They are not too expensive. Make sure you get the correct one, You need the salt water thermostat, the one that runs cooler.

Oil leaks you can fix. Where are the leaks?

You don't mention your oil consumption or starting reliability.

Despite the astronomic cost of spare parts, the motor is very well built and it is a long-lived, slow-revving unit.

A last word of caution... don't let the motor freeze. I did with mine. I survived it, but I do have a coolant leak.

I really would not tear the motor out unless I had to. You may well need a new prop too, as the forward-facing flywheel of the Volvo turns the prop the other way from aft-facing flywheel motors.

Let us know how you get on.

Don't write your motor off yet.
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If you do choose to go to the M25, please note that we have a wealth of M25 information on our C34 website: Diesel Engine - C34

We have one in our boat, great engine. Get a three inch HX and you'll not overheat. The old 2 inch HXs would when pressed into WOT for extended periods although not when the HX is thoroughly clean.

Also assure that you get the new alternator bracket (comes as OEM on an M25XP, as well as the 3 inch HX.
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I have several friends with Cascade 36's that have been repowered. Smallest hp installation was for the couple now down in Mexico in their 2nd year with a 20 hp Beta. They admit that it's a bit small, but they sail a lot (!) and truly only wanted an "auxiliary" engine. The others have opted for the 25 hp version.

Note B - the current Universal model that might go in there is an M25XPB, rated at about 26 hp.

Unless you are shopping used engines (and if you are please read all the linked info from Stu. The older Universal M25XP (23 hp) is a Good engine and coincidently the one in our boat.) You will want to consider something like the 25 hp Beta, in my opinion.
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OTOH, if your most trusted local mechanic likes Yanmar, then go with that. There's more than one "right answer" to the question...


You did not ask, but the Casc 36 is a wonderful sea boat. I have done a long delivery thru some rather heavy weather on one, and would do so again!

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