About to buy, nagging engine issue - seeking advice - Page 5 - SailNet Community
 47Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #41 of 58 Old 04-03-2014
ASA and PSIA Instructor
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Posts: 3,588
Thanks: 7
Thanked 25 Times in 25 Posts
Rep Power: 16
 
Re: About to buy, nagging engine issue - seeking advice

Quote:
Originally Posted by Power For Sail View Post
A lot of these companies charge people a ton of money and try to make a killing. ...
Actually the work was done by a first-rate yard who delivered an excellent result for what I considered a reasonable (ouch!) charge. To expect the same type of results for much less money, is to well, expect something for nothing.

Certified...in several regards...
sailingfool is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #42 of 58 Old 04-03-2014
merit 25 solo "er"
 
christian.hess's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Columbus, Ga
Posts: 4,581
Thanks: 189
Thanked 189 Times in 184 Posts
Rep Power: 2
 
Re: About to buy, nagging engine issue - seeking advice

12k for a rebuild? wtf?

Islander 36 no longer for sale...its MINE!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Planning maiden cruise for November-December 2015 to Panama Canal! The planning begins!!!
christian.hess is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #43 of 58 Old 04-05-2014
Paid Sponsor
 
Power For Sail's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL
Posts: 19
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
Re: About to buy, nagging engine issue - seeking advice

Quote:
Originally Posted by sailingfool View Post
Actually the work was done by a first-rate yard who delivered an excellent result for what I considered a reasonable (ouch!) charge. To expect the same type of results for much less money, is to well, expect something for nothing.
Yes, i am sure it was a first-rate company, but what we are saying is that many of those companies need to charge a lot of money due to their enormous overhead. We do not have a 30,000 sq/ft building to keep up, nor do we have 50 employees. We charge what we feel is fair, nothing more, and we do a first rate job just like those big companies....


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

PAID SPONSOR
Power For Sail is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #44 of 58 Old 04-06-2014
Senior Smart Aleck
 
jameswilson29's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Richmond, Virginia
Posts: 2,152
Thanks: 34
Thanked 70 Times in 65 Posts
Rep Power: 7
 
Re: About to buy, nagging engine issue - seeking advice

One could buy a brand new Beta 30 marine diesel for $12K (plus installation)far better than a $12K rebuild..IMHO.

Last edited by jameswilson29; 04-06-2014 at 07:31 AM.
jameswilson29 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
The Following User Says Thank You to jameswilson29 For This Useful Post:
christian.hess (04-06-2014)
post #45 of 58 Old 04-06-2014
merit 25 solo "er"
 
christian.hess's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Columbus, Ga
Posts: 4,581
Thanks: 189
Thanked 189 Times in 184 Posts
Rep Power: 2
 
Re: About to buy, nagging engine issue - seeking advice

exactly there is a point when a rebuild is not worth it...and I say that as an avid gear head
MikeOReilly likes this.

Islander 36 no longer for sale...its MINE!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Planning maiden cruise for November-December 2015 to Panama Canal! The planning begins!!!
christian.hess is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #46 of 58 Old 04-08-2014
ASA and PSIA Instructor
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Posts: 3,588
Thanks: 7
Thanked 25 Times in 25 Posts
Rep Power: 16
 
Re: About to buy, nagging engine issue - seeking advice

Quote:
Originally Posted by christian.hess View Post
exactly there is a point when a rebuild is not worth it...and I say that as an avid gear head
Actually I suspect not. You dont understand the numbers here. For example, in my circumstance, although the comparable engine is a Beta35, if one were to go with a new Beta30 (BETA MARINE WEST | West Coast Distributor for Beta Marine Engines) at $12k for the engine with shipping, add the $6K the yard's extract/installation work (which no suggested alternative reduces, unless you do it yourself..) and you get to $18K. A different engine adds new costs at least for engine mount changes, re-wiring, new hoses, and panel replacement, which would conservatively run $3K. The only offset is whatever you can get on EBay for the old block.

So the real choice to the rebuild at $12K is a new engine at $20K. To me the additional cost made no financial sense, I guess if I expected the keep the boat for life, and was younger, the extra $8K for a Yanmar could have worked...

Certified...in several regards...
sailingfool is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #47 of 58 Old 04-08-2014
snake charmer, cat herder
 
zeehag's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: refitting a formosa in exotic tropical locations....
Posts: 1,805
Thanks: 8
Thanked 28 Times in 28 Posts
Rep Power: 7
 
Re: About to buy, nagging engine issue - seeking advice

for 12k i can find 3 rebuild brand new inside engines, 4-108, installed. wow, what a rip... this(4-108) engine rebuild kit is 861usdollars, including pistons and everything. ask me how i know..lol .. ka lunk......and with EVERYTHING except cam,crankand block replaced,and head milled and refit, and injector and lift pump and tranny heat exchanger rebuilt in full, my total is under $2500 usd. wow i wanna be a diesel mechanic in usa!!!!! what a gold mine!!!!
btw..new 4-108 shouod be 4500 usd as it was when i was looking for this one..lol goood luck. i would find another professional rebuilder to do this estimate. it should not be as much as you are quoting.
Power For Sail likes this.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

formosa 41, cruising tropics


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
zeehag is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #48 of 58 Old 04-08-2014
merit 25 solo "er"
 
christian.hess's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Columbus, Ga
Posts: 4,581
Thanks: 189
Thanked 189 Times in 184 Posts
Rep Power: 2
 
Re: About to buy, nagging engine issue - seeking advice

ok cool good for you(previous post)...12k for a rebuild is ridiculously expensive and overpriced and the only reason I agreed with the comparison towards a new engine was simply numbers...

12k for a rebuild is too much...and you are getting hosed (as is the sugggestion that a yard charging 6k for an installation as an only option)...even though its less than a brand new installed engine which is besides the point...

in any case its sounds like you got an awesome engine back...

which is cool...except for THAT price...and the premise that was the ONLY option...

beleive me there are options(like those posted by zeehag)...and ok so you dont do any work yourself or dont like to, or have the money for people to do it for you:

if that is the case:

I STILL ARGUE THE PRICE...12k is simply TOO much for a mid size diesel engine rebuild...

but thats just my point of view...

cheers

Islander 36 no longer for sale...its MINE!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Planning maiden cruise for November-December 2015 to Panama Canal! The planning begins!!!
christian.hess is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #49 of 58 Old 04-08-2014
Paid Sponsor
 
Power For Sail's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL
Posts: 19
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
Re: About to buy, nagging engine issue - seeking advice

Quote:
Originally Posted by sailingfool View Post
Actually I suspect not. You dont understand the numbers here. For example, in my circumstance, although the comparable engine is a Beta35, if one were to go with a new Beta30 (BETA MARINE WEST | West Coast Distributor for Beta Marine Engines) at $12k for the engine with shipping, add the $6K the yard's extract/installation work (which no suggested alternative reduces, unless you do it yourself..) and you get to $18K. A different engine adds new costs at least for engine mount changes, re-wiring, new hoses, and panel replacement, which would conservatively run $3K. The only offset is whatever you can get on EBay for the old block.

So the real choice to the rebuild at $12K is a new engine at $20K. To me the additional cost made no financial sense, I guess if I expected the keep the boat for life, and was younger, the extra $8K for a Yanmar could have worked...
$6K the yard's extract/installation work????? SERIOUSLY??? OMG, i need their salesman, LOL We would have charged no more than $2K....
zeehag likes this.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

PAID SPONSOR
Power For Sail is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #50 of 58 Old 04-08-2014
snake charmer, cat herder
 
zeehag's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: refitting a formosa in exotic tropical locations....
Posts: 1,805
Thanks: 8
Thanked 28 Times in 28 Posts
Rep Power: 7
 
Re: About to buy, nagging engine issue - seeking advice

omydog...i removed mine myself. i am an old female..wtf 6000...holymofgods..someone pay me 12000 for having done this TWICE inmy own boat,,MYSELF!!!!!!!!!,,, hail marys....
geez this threadis giving me a stroke. wow ..... please where do i sign up for working..i know at least as much as your alleged repair guy and i am cheaper..lol i could use some fuel tank building dough.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

formosa 41, cruising tropics


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
zeehag is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Need advice: Buy a boat for its engine? grinfax Gear & Maintenance 15 01-04-2012 03:47 PM
Re: Friend seeking to buy a 8 - 9 ft used dinghy NewsReader Mass Bay Sailors 0 07-10-2007 01:15 PM
Re: Friend seeking to buy a 8 - 9 ft used dinghy NewsReader Mass Bay Sailors 0 07-10-2007 01:15 PM
Re: Friend seeking to buy a 8 - 9 ft used dinghy NewsReader Mass Bay Sailors 0 07-10-2007 01:15 PM
Re: Friend seeking to buy a 8 - 9 ft used dinghy NewsReader Mass Bay Sailors 0 07-10-2007 01:15 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome