Hans Christian 39 Pilothouse; Rebuild oldd engine versus repower with new - Page 5 - SailNet Community
 1Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #41 of 47 Old 07-05-2014
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Nanaimo B.C.
Posts: 2,351
Thanks: 3
Thanked 47 Times in 47 Posts
Rep Power: 4
 
Re: Hans Christian 39 Pilothouse; Rebuild oldd engine versus repower with new

Now we are talking choice of engine. I really like a 60hp isuzie for your situation. no blower and parts redly available anywhere.(small truck ) I installed a 100 hp with a hurth 630 for the needed step down. Cheaper and way more rugged than a Yami. I would hang the engine on a chain block and 4x4s or whatever underneath. and make up arms to reach out or up for the rubber mounts. The rears are simply bent J's to make the width(5/8 x 3) If they bolt to the block rather than the tranny, better. The fronts can be a bit more complex as they can have larger pads for mounting alt or hydraulics .Drill some likely bolt holes before installation for use later.Make sure you move everything forw'd far enough to clear things like oil filter, fuel pump re/re .A new shaft is cheap compared to unhappy every time you look at it.If you run out of stringer length, just grind and glass on an extension.Nothing you can't do yourself with all of us looking over your shoulder.
Capt Len is online now  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #42 of 47 Old 07-05-2014
Oday30!
 
deniseO30's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Bristol pa
Posts: 6,869
Thanks: 55
Thanked 121 Times in 110 Posts
Rep Power: 10
   
Re: Hans Christian 39 Pilothouse; Rebuild oldd engine versus repower with new

Maybe Callie is "locked in" with the re power outfit. hope not!

Denise, Bristol PA, Oday 30. On Tidal Delaware River, Anchor Yacht Club.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

My last project!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


My boat is sold!
deniseO30 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #43 of 47 Old 07-06-2014 Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 26
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
Re: Hans Christian 39 Pilothouse; Rebuild oldd engine versus repower with new

I am not locked in.

However, I am veritably locked in (by my own choosing) for a few reasons.

1) I want this done in a reasonable time frame and both teaching myself how to and doing it will eat up time I can spend on project parts I am more comfortable with (electric systems, wiring, head systems, tiling in the head, water systems, teak/brightwork, etc). I can then learn about engines through servicing first and build my knowledge.

2) I want the warranty on my engine that comes with using an authorized dealer. Since I plan to start in the Sound for a while it is good to have a warranty in my home port.

3) My marina is not cheap for things like boom truck/fork lifting. $150 an hour and a minimum of 1.5 hours. This can add up really fast. Though the framework method would alleviate some of it.

4) I do not have to pay work yard fees for the entire time my boat is in the repower shop, AND, the guys there will let us work on her when they are not. Free work yard hours is a big bonus when it costs $2500/month to be in the work yard! That is a month or so for free, before we work from the slip.

5) My knowledge of marine diesel engines and systems is limited, by working with these chaps on this I am able to pickle their brain on other systems. Similar to what I can do here but face to face.

6) They have proven time and again to not be greedy, telling me if I do not need to add something, or pointing out cheaper ways to do something. They are also quick to point me to thing I can do solo and have generally been very helpful.

7) They are going to be spraying her for us as well, we will have sanded, washed, and taped her off by the time they get her so it is going to be a less expensive paint job. But seeing as how they are doing two major jobs for us. One of which we are not allowed to do in out Marina, working with them on both makes a good deal of sense. We are not allowed to erect a tent and spray her ourselves in the work yard, it is roll on and brush back, or let them spray her. Spray looks better and is much less labor if we do all the prep.

Now I know that with the combined knowledge of everyone here I could likely do this myself. I intend to utilize this forum to build on my knowledge simultaneously anyways. But I am also younger, and still work full time. After Tuesday, when my vacation is over I am able to work on the boat from about 6am-11am then I have to run to work for a full day; after which the yard is closed. I cannot afford to keep her for months in the work yard with so little time to work on her. Moving it over to their shop alleviates that part of the financial burden. Allowing me to do work on her this month and then not having to pay yard fees next (though still being able to do some work), after which we can work in slip ($500/mo as opposed to $2500/mo).

On a final note, one side is sanded and evened out to be washed with cleaner today. Teak gunwale on the port side is almost sanded of its white aging and should be done today. Starboard side paint should be sanded and ready by tomorrow, with me getting to the gunwhale starboard tomorrow to begin it if I can finish the port side today. Cockpit's ancient teak caulking is almost removed so we can begin up there. Moving along.

Engine decision should be made tomorrow once I talk to the distributor and get some actual measurements. It is looking like the 54 hp naturally aspirated is going to be smaller. But considering the similarities between the 4jh5e, 4jh4te, and 4jh4hte I have to be careful to make sure.


Caille
Caille is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #44 of 47 Old 07-06-2014
Oday30!
 
deniseO30's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Bristol pa
Posts: 6,869
Thanks: 55
Thanked 121 Times in 110 Posts
Rep Power: 10
   
Re: Hans Christian 39 Pilothouse; Rebuild oldd engine versus repower with new

Sounds like a plan Callie! Please do keep us posted? I know when I try to help online it often looks like "another heavy hitter" trying to tell someone what to do, even though it's really not meant that way.

Project boats and the people reviving them deserve all the praise we can muster because; they are usually saving a vessel worth saving!

Good luck on the paint!

Denise, Bristol PA, Oday 30. On Tidal Delaware River, Anchor Yacht Club.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

My last project!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


My boat is sold!
deniseO30 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #45 of 47 Old 07-06-2014
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 32
Thanks: 2
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
Re: Hans Christian 39 Pilothouse; Rebuild oldd engine versus repower with new

I almost bought one of the 9 about 10 years ago. It's name was (is?) Jolly Mon. The owner had repowered with an Izuzu 50 or 60hp I think, and he was very happy with it as it was underpowered with the original engine. It was sold to someone in Washington and had been resold a few years later I believe. I would try Googleing it and maybe you can get some insight and contact with a current owner. Good Luck!
Froggy is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #46 of 47 Old 11-20-2014
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 1
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
Re: Hans Christian 39 Pilothouse; Rebuild oldd engine versus repower with new

Hi Callie, I have sold 3 44HC pilothouses in the last 18 months. Two are getting total refits. I may be able to answer some questions. Sincerely Shane uwhuskies00 at hotmail.com

Last edited by Faster; 11-20-2014 at 01:42 PM. Reason: broke 'mailto' link (anti spam measure)
uwhuskies00 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #47 of 47 Old 11-21-2014
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Scotland
Posts: 2,364
Thanks: 0
Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts
Rep Power: 9
 
Re: Hans Christian 39 Pilothouse; Rebuild oldd engine versus repower with new

Callie :

That's a big ship. Similar in hull form to my own USC Polaris 36. That 38 probably displaces about 27,000 lb (or so).
My old 36 weighs in at about 23,000 (laden) and a Volvo 35 hp with a twin blade prop moves her well in all but a forward swell.
You might be a bit underpowered with a 30 hp, but not too often.
The pilot house form of that ship will have a higher frontal area but not much more than you would have with a spray hood.

Don't pay anyone $10,000 for stringers for a new engine (or $6,000). Tell them to get lost.

Contact Beta Marine for another motor. They claim to be able to drop a new motor in to existing mounts, and they may be able to take you up to nearer 40 hp (possibly more) without too much of a problem. You may be able to find a used Beta Marine motor that will fit, with new mounting legs.



Rockter.
jrd22 likes this.
Rockter is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hans Christian 38 Classic30 Boat Review and Purchase Forum 38 05-08-2013 10:06 AM
Hans Christian sailing320 Boat Review and Purchase Forum 7 07-08-2009 06:26 PM
davits for hans christian sasfish Gear & Maintenance 2 03-27-2009 03:36 PM
Hans Christian 44 Pilothouse kaniksu Boat Review and Purchase Forum 4 05-03-2008 12:23 AM
hans christian hc33 coondogger Boat Review and Purchase Forum 1 12-11-2003 03:03 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome