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SanDiegoChip 03-05-2010 11:00 AM

Any pros cons on the Beta Marine engines please?
 
I stopped at Admiralty Marine on Rosecrans and picked an oil filter for our Perkins 4-108. We started talking repowering. They gave me a quote for a Volvo and new tranny etc.
I know of a person who repowered the same boat as ours using a Beta engine.
I may be able to use my same Velvet drive tranny which we really like with a Beta also.
A dock mate has a 50 hp Beta and it is a breeze to bleed the fuel lines and change oil and he really like it.
Any pros cons on the Beta Marine engines?
Thanks,
Chip

sailingdog 03-05-2010 02:27 PM

They're fairly well regarded, if a bit expensive. They're well-designed with thought to how the maintenance related parts are arranged to simplify doing maintenance. They use a Kubota block, and parts are fairly easy to get once you identify which Kubota block they used.

redhead78 03-06-2010 08:06 AM

beta engines
 
As a guy who picked up a shiny new 35 hp beta, last saturday, I am pro Kubota. I did a lot of checking around, and for the money, I think kubota is a real value.You also get a lot of valuable support from Kubota, check out the threads recent on Foley Engines. An engine requires some attention, if you do some very easy basic maint, read your owners manual, maybe even some of the easier reads about Diesel operation and upkeep you should have sucess with any engine. Ignore it and you are rolling the dice. So for the money, so far so good. Although It is not installed, and yet to propel my boat, I will post during job on progress....Red

JohnRPollard 03-06-2010 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingdog (Post 577293)
...They use a Kubota block...

Just as a clarification, the Betas don't merely use the Kubota block, they use the entire engine. What Beta does is they "marinize" the Kubota engine with various components necessary for marine application (heat exchanger, raw water pump, etc).

We have some threads around here where we discuss the advantages of the smaller Betamarine engines as compared to Yanmar, etc. They both are good engines, but when I've compared the two in the smaller size range (2 and 3 cylinders), Beta has seemed to have an advantage in a few respects, including price.

On price, make sure you're comparing apples to apples. The Beta prices are usually for the package, i.e. including alternator, transmission, and motor mounts. Some of the other companies don't quote or list prices with the same bundle.

As for the Volvo quote, yes those are good engines but the universal complaint is that they are tremendously expensive to maintain due to the cost of spare and replacement parts.

I would think you could manage fine with one of the larger 3 cylinder engines.

erps 03-06-2010 11:13 AM

I would have a Beta engine sitting in my garage right now if I could convince Beta to start the warranty clock ticking when it's installed rather than when it's purchased. It's going to replace a Volvo motor. Sometimes I think Volvo could give their motors away and still turn a profit when they sell you repair parts.

jrd22 03-06-2010 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by erps (Post 577570)
Sometimes I think Volvo could give their motors away and still turn a profit when they sell you repair parts.

Ain't that the truth! $250 for a two foot long piece of 3/4" hose with a little "T" molded into it for a 41 series engine.

poopdeckpappy 03-07-2010 12:41 AM

SDChip, let me know when you do the repower, I might be interested in the 108 for a rebuild

r.furborough 03-07-2010 07:38 AM

erps,

Who have you spoken about regarding the start of warranty. If you haven't already spoken to Stan in NC (the factory distributor) do so. A delay of commencement between purchase and commissioning can be negotiated within reason. There is usually a proviso though regarding the storage of the engine in this period.




Quote:

Originally Posted by erps (Post 577570)
I would have a Beta engine sitting in my garage right now if I could convince Beta to start the warranty clock ticking when it's installed rather than when it's purchased. It's going to replace a Volvo motor. Sometimes I think Volvo could give their motors away and still turn a profit when they sell you repair parts.


redhead78 03-07-2010 05:49 PM

beta
 
Erps, hey how are you. I picked up my engine last sat, I have 6 months to commission and then the warranty starts. Where are you located and what size motor do you need. My engine came with mounts, a control panel wired that you plug into a female plug on the engine. It has standard 60 amp alt, secondary fuel filter, built in oil change pump, a TMC60E trans, both trans and throttle have brackets so you can attach your cables to. My 35 hp eng is a 4 cyl, 2800 rpm, all engines below are 3 cyl. You can add extras, for instance, I added a 100 amp alt, high exhaust stainless, a waterproof panel,wf hrs, tach, start, glow and stop buttons, wf idiot lights and buzzers. You can upgrade to "c" panel, has all guages key start, tach, hrs. I opted for the custom mount package, they made the mounts east/west or side to side exactly 20 1/4'' on center. Front to back it not usually an issue with mounts. The dealer even showed me how to make a template with the mounts on, and a piece of 1"y 8' pipe sldes thru front to rear into the stern tube. Sorry so wordy, you can email me if you want.... Red

erps 03-08-2010 08:56 AM

Quote:

Who have you spoken about regarding the start of warranty. If you haven't already spoken to Stan in NC (the factory distributor) do so. A delay of commencement between purchase and commissioning can be negotiated within reason. There is usually a proviso though regarding the storage of the engine in this period.
I'm in the PNW and spoke with a dealer out in the San Juan Islands. I have the paperwork filed away somewhere but my recollection is that the motor I was looking at was around 50 h.p. I'll look up the dealer rep in NC. Thanks for the heads up.


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