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Diesel Genset alternatives

Folks, I'm looking to alternatives to the realitively expensive standard genset makers like Onan, Northern Lights etc..
Those puppies run to 5k just for the smallest of units.

Can I get some feedback on if taking a unit like this out of it's frame and installing it will or will not work?

At 1200 bucks it seems like a viable alternative, even if I have to build a deck box and leave it topsides..

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Re: Diesel Genset alternatives

Another alternative is a diesel 12 volt gen-set although I haven't priced them.

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Re: Diesel Genset alternatives

Nah, I'm looking for 120v, sewing machine, air conditioning etc.. without a huge inverter and battery bank.
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Re: Diesel Genset alternatives

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Folks, I'm looking to alternatives to the realitively expensive standard genset makers like Onan, Northern Lights etc..
Those puppies run to 5k just for the smallest of units.

Can I get some feedback on if taking a unit like this out of it's frame and installing it will or will not work?

At 1200 bucks it seems like a viable alternative, even if I have to build a deck box and leave it topsides..

All Power America Portable Diesel Generator — 6500 Surge Watts, 5000 Rated Watts, Model# APG3201 | Portable Generators| Northern Tool + Equipment
One small ting to consider the "All Power America Portable Diesel Generator" is air cooled.

Air cooled = more noise, need good ventilation (forced?), dry exhaust must find a solution to get it out
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Re: Diesel Genset alternatives

Yeah, noticed it was 75db (loud), figured I'd add a blower and exhaust to my engine compartment (it's not really a room on the Irwin, but it's big).
Alternative is of course a good deck box behind the center cockpit - with the exhaust facing the stern - and the noise following it.

Then again, one reviewer - on a boat - said he tapped it into his boat exhaust (wet).
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Re: Diesel Genset alternatives

Those land based gensets aren't designed for marine use. Not designed for spark arresting, corrosion prevention etc. Not to mention that they're loud as all hell.

That being said, I have a little Honda EU2000 to run my A/C. I wouldn't carry any bigger though. Wish Honda would make a little EU2000d though!!!
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Re: Diesel Genset alternatives

My alternative to the diesel is the Yamaha 2800 - slightly larger than the Honda 2000, but a lot more power to run A/C and charger.

I'd just really like to stay diesel, if possible
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Re: Diesel Genset alternatives

Portable units are fine, but really have to be taken out to the transom every time you want to use them. Even tapping into an exhaust system really won't get rid of the problems since they aren't designed for it.

We use a small Honda when weekend camping to run the AC, but any more would require a real one.
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Re: Diesel Genset alternatives

You're not comparing apples to apples Chuck. The air cooled models are light duty high rpm (3600 vs. 1800), and as previously mentioned, loud. Not saying you can't do it and save some $$, but overall I think you'd be a lot happier in the long run (and safer) going with a marine, water cooled genset even though it's going to be much more expensive and a big job to install.
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Re: Diesel Genset alternatives

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Yeah, noticed it was 75db (loud), figured I'd add a blower and exhaust to my engine compartment (it's not really a room on the Irwin, but it's big). Alternative is of course a good deck box behind the center cockpit - with the exhaust facing the stern - and the noise following it.
I would think that the biggest issue I would have (especially if you came and anchored alongside me) would be the noise because let's face it, mostly you're going to run mains appliances more on anchor than while sailing.

The only way to get rid of noise from such a machine is to box it and insulate the heck out of it but then your air cooling may want some say in that.

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Then again, one reviewer - on a boat - said he tapped it into his boat exhaust (wet).
How would a dry exhaust work piped into the "wet" exhaust when the main engine is not running? I'm not sure that it would be good for the exhaust piping (possibly rubber?) but then again I'm not sure what your pipes look like.

Looking at the advert posted, the description says "electric start" but I have to say the little handle thingy on the right hand side looks awfully like a pull start to me



Finally, looking at the lone injector pipe in the picture, it looks like a single cylinder which is likely to present some significant vibration issues. I know from just fitting a wind genny the extents I had to go to to keep the thing quite - single cylinder diesels are not known for their smooth running.

I think I agree with JRD22, you'll possibly live to regret not spending the extra $$$ on a proper marine unit in the long run.
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