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What to look or on a Beta 20?

On the upcoming second visit to a prospective purchase, what should I look for in/on the above diesel? It's a recent transplant and appears to be well done; but I've never seen the "Kubota Marine" application.

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Re: What to look or on a Beta 20?

A recently repower is almost always a good thing.. these engines have a good reputation. Universals are also Kubota blocks and there are probably tens of thousands of those installations out there.

As a repower, esp if it replaced something like an old Volvo ( which would be more good news ) look for properly modified engine beds and mounts, clearances and access to vitals like oil and fuel filters, fluid dipsticks, water intake/strainer, and for proper fuel lines etc..

But having a recent engine in an older boat is a great start. What boat is it?
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Re: What to look or on a Beta 20?

It's in that Watkins 27 I am/was looking at. The mechanicals are about the only thing I am not sure of. The dealer *sez* the motor's good and a recent replacement; but.........

I can deal with the trampoline-like foredeck... somehow. I can fill and paint/gel the few cracks here and there in the gel. I can make a new tiller. I can clean out/up the interior and do needful repairs; but, I don;t know squat from diesels!

He's asking $3995 (publicly listed at $4500) and seems willing to come down. Reverse engineering the price, starting with an avg figger of near $2000 for a "fresh but used" diesel then add the cost of a mast/sails/rigging used, and the interior bits'n'bobs; yer there! If I found a yard derelict of the same make and had ta refit w/all used equipment,I'd have more innit!

I'm going to go back down mid-Dec (once funds arrive) and poke around at all the other cheapies he's got, then drop my counter offer. If he is willing to dicker, I *might* end up at the $3000 mark...due to the bad deck, etc.
Thataways, I have more $$ left in the fund for those repairs and enuff left for a year's slip/storage. He called me last Monday to ask if I was gonna buy soon, as he wanted to pull it for the Winter. Said that suited me, so I could inspect the hull and fitments. IF I can squeeze winter storage and splash come Spring AND the boat for < $3500, I figger I'm good

That Watkins is really put together ('cept for the bouncy cored decks!) and will make a tremendous base to start with. I have yet to find a unit that is as well proportioned and assembled; given the size parameters.

Strikingly curious... Just discovered/realized that the other boat I'm looking at is ALSO a Scott design! A totally different approach to getting on the water; but the Beachcomber 25 is a contender. A bit far off at 175 miles; but it *IS* trailerable

Paul

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Re: What to look or on a Beta 20?

Generally if it fires up well when cold and runs smooth at all rpms and looks clean it's probably good. If, like they told you, it is almost a new engine it's worth more than they are asking for the boat. If it's "new" to the boat but the engine was used when installed you better get a mechanic to check it out for you, rarely do people take good engines out of boats.
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Re: What to look or on a Beta 20?

Beta's are great engines.

Over the decades, I have heard many adjectives for the construction of Watkins boats, but "well put together" was not on the list.....
I would worry more about that deck than the engine.


Has the whole deck been tapped and also tested and mapped out with a moisture meter?

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Re: What to look or on a Beta 20?

Those bouncy cored decks are actually soggy, delaminated cored decks, as you probably know. I wouldn't be surprised if frozen wet core is what caused some of those cracks, too. For me they would be way up there as a worry. The fix is to cut out the top layer, remove the wet core, put in new, and epoxy back together. A big deal for sure.
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Re: What to look or on a Beta 20?

I agree with arf....

spongy decks are not good and a big expense. Many boats hav e core above the waterline, but MOost have the equip[ment bedded correctly and been taken care of they present no problem. We have an end grain balsa cored deck...no issues after 30 years.

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Re: What to look or on a Beta 20?

As for an engine assessment. You can always do an oil analysis, where you send off a sample to a lab and they do a spectrographic analysis which can identify problem/failure areas. Normally you do a trend of samples but a one-time sample might give you some info re. your concern
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Re: What to look or on a Beta 20?

Top flight Japanese motor.
It's a Kubota, and spare parts are everywhere, in cement mixers, and forklifts, etc.
Revs a bit higher than the older stuff though, but you can't have everything.

Avoid Volvo like the plague. The major spare parts are an absolute and utter rip-off.
How does $2000 for an exhaust manifold grab you for a 20 year-old 35 hp engine (in 1998)?
It certainly grabbed Volvo.
Not for me though. And never again will I touch another one.
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