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Re: Repower from volvo engine?

I agree with those who say keep it running for at least the first year, marine motors can run almost for ever in sailboats even with lots of motoring they really don't seem to ware out, in fact the ones that get used more seem to last longer, strange as it sounds. But I think you may need to look for a more affordable mechanic. They may think you want it to be "perfect" and that is admirable, but I think keeping it running reliable for the first year should be the concern now so you can evaluate it under use. Perhaps have a word with the mechanic stating that as your goal and they can re-prioritize the work. Think stabilizing a tooth for a few years rather then putting in implants right away.

If by the "tooth business" you mean you are a dentist, I can understand the not knowing where to get the parts fabricated, my father is a dentist (mid 80's and still working full time in sole proprietorship practice) and he would not be able to do anything mechanical at all! The other issue is that you do have to keep your hands clean as no one will let you put grimy hands in there mouth! This is an advantage of working on computers, keyboards don't care, and can't smell diesel. I have lived over 800 miles from my father for about 20 years and just went to another dentist for the first time, just gets too hard to get back home. I felt like I was cheating on my dad, as he has been my only dentist for 47 years!

Oh and by the way I did not see any one say this, congratulation on the purchase! I have looked at a lot of Beneteau's, and really was impressed with the Stark interior. A little modern for me, but they sure are beautiful! And I have never heard anyone complain about how they sail. Perhaps you can post pictures!
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Re: Repower from volvo engine?

Man, on no account spend $5k on the list you describe.
Fix it yourself.
Re-condition those injectors.
Buy some new engine mounts.
And if the heat exchanger is not giving trouble, leave it until it does.

On NO account buy another Volvo to put in there. Volvo engines have a competitive price new, but the spare parts are shockingly expensive. How does $2000 for an exhaust manifold grab you (for a 20 year old engine). It certainly grabs Volvo. I learned that lesson in 1998, when my engine was 20 years old. The equivalent part for a 40 hp Lister-Petter was 1/7 of that.... one seventh.
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Re: Repower from volvo engine?

If you do decide to re-power, look closely at the Beta series of motors. They are Kubota-based, so you can't get ripped off for spare parts as they are in fork-lifts, and cement mixers everywhere. They will have the usual Japanese quality.
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Re: Repower from volvo engine?

Fix what you have it is still the only cheep option. If you replace same with new same, it costs the price of the replacement plus labor. If you go down the re-power with a different brand of engine then your costs will be the new engine plus parts to make it fit and labor. So if a non Volvo engine is about $15K, plan on about $30K to complete.
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Re: Repower from volvo engine?

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....On NO account buy another Volvo to put in there. Volvo engines have a competitive price new, but the spare parts are shockingly expensive......
I'm not going to dispute the ultimate conclusion. I have a Volvo and, if I were repowering, I would switch. However, this would be based almost entirely on the access to Yanmar technicians and parts inventory. I have purchased my share of spare parts and haven't found them to be significantly more expensive that other rip off marine parts. If one really wants to reduce cost, one of the converted tractor diesels is probably the way to go. Then buy your parts at Napa.

I suggest that any 20 year old engine from any manufacturer has at least the potential of requiring an expensive part. It depends on how long it has been since they made the model, than how old one's particular motor may be.

I'm not a big Volvo defender, but they are generally reliable diesels and are very common world wide. In my case, the 100hp Volvo runs significantly quieter and at lower rpm than the equivalent Yanmar. I like that.

If one shops for parts on the internet, you will find much better prices and your local dealer may not even what you need at all. If you even have a local dealer. One of the more significant mark ups on all parts, is inventory carry. The cost of money for all that inventory sitting on the store's shelf until sold. With few Volvo owners, parts sit longer. More mark up. The internet providers get some of that economy back.

I'm just saying there are two sides.
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Re: Repower from volvo engine?

Thanks to all of you for the wisdom-we're taking a step back at this point to spend some more time getting to know our engine.

We've located another mechanic who will be helping us sort through and prioritize what should be done and hopefully, I'll continue in my research to find good sources for parts. So far, at least, it seems to run just fine but the shaft seal is leaking and the exhaust hose is cracked-both of these repairs we'll get done ASAP.

And, we'll contribute more to the "any day now..." (boat) fund...
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Re: Repower from volvo engine?

Having a 34 year old Volvo engine in my Newport, all I can say is they are rock solid operating (though they may be a little noisy at times). I would get it repaired before I would shell out the $ to replace it. You can replace the motor mounts yourself, if you know which end of the wrench is up, and as far as the mixing elbow, mine was fabricated from black iron by a welding shop locally for about 1/4 the price of what Volvo wants for it.
Good luck, and good sailing...
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Re: Repower from volvo engine?

We faced the same issue with our boat. In doing some research I found an alternative... Electric. Half the cost of a new engine and you can install it yourself. It works and is with todays technology a viable option that saves
money time and is proven on the water. we went with Electric Yacht 360 system
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Re: Repower from volvo engine?

Maybe I missed it but I didn't see how many hours are on your engine? Although some older Volvo parts are cause for cardiac arrest, most are comparable to other engines. If your engine runs well and has relatively low hours (under 3000), and you aren't planning to cruise to remote locations there really isn't any reason to consider a re-power at this time. As others have pointed out the repairs you mentioned shouldn't really cost very much. If you anticipate several trips to Alaska, Haida Gwaii, etc and the engine has other issues like excessive blue smoke, major oil leaks, etc then you might want to look at new (our Volvo is 25 yrs old, 5000+ hrs, Alaska is in the plans and we are considering a re-power soon).
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Re: Repower from volvo engine?

We have about 1300 hours. We're somewhat newbies after moving up from our San Juan 24 to the Beneteau and while the engine had been well-maintained, the engine survey revealed that it "needed" some fairly expensive repairs. We've since had other estimates and opinions and located a well respected mechanic, and we're going to follow the average advice of leaving well enough alone for now.

We went to the Seattle boat show and loved the Betas! It'll be our choice when/if we repower in the future. For now, we'll stick with the Volvo provided we can find the parts we need.
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