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Re: Buying a boat with a non running diesel

That Newport 28 was for sale more than a year ago as well. It had a working engine when I looked at it last year, but there were other good reasons that I didn't buy it. I think it could be a good boat, but it needs more work than the photos imply.

The reality is that if your budget is around $3000 then you aren't going to find a perfect boat. It is going to need work. If it needs engine work then an outboard is a lot cheaper to replace, especially due to having almost no installation labor. In that price range I'd stick with simple boats that have limited systems (less systems means less to break).
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Re: Buying a boat with a non running diesel

Oh, and nobody directly answered you, but replacing an inboard engine with a brand new one is rarely done for under $10,000. Just the engine for a boat this size is around $6000-$6500.

An new outboard for 22-24' boats is about $1600 (Tohatsu SailPro), used they can be down to $500 (more for a 4 stroke in good condition).
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Re: Buying a boat with a non running diesel

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What Alex said. Five grand, easy. Ten possible. 12-15 also possible. I'm told that everything costs more in Hawaii, and finding a competent honest diesel shop anywhere seems to be a real good trick.

Diesels are somewhat less complicated than gasoline engines, but instead of an ignition system you have a high pressure fuel injection system and the FI pump can be damned expensive. Like a grand. the rest of the engine, bearings, shaft, valves, block, manifolds...all very similar. If you're planning to DIY it certainly can be done, but you'll be sending out the injectors and pump for overhaul, those aren't DIY. With the typical raw-water cooled engine, there's a problem that the cooling passages may have rotted out the block, in which case you can't salvage it, you need to replace it.
Which comes back to the prices Alex said. If someone hasn't maintained a diesel, they've used up a very expensive engine. If it has been maintained, 5-10,000 hours is typical and then it can be overhauled for that many more again. "If".
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Re: Buying a boat with a non running diesel

ok, although I do need to change my profile, because the boats I'm looking at are in Seattle. I'm not currently in Hawai'i. Thought it would be a good time to learn to cruise, there's not much beginner cruising in Hawai'i.

I remember the first time I even went sailing on my little cal 20 it was gusting to 25-30 knots and me and my neighbor were getting beat around and I thought that's how sailing was! Like an adrenaline sport!
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...... it was gusting to 25-30 knots and me and my neighbor were getting beat around and I thought that's how sailing was! Like an adrenaline sport!
Isn't it? We get 45,000 lbs moving along at 8 or 9 knots, water up the side decks, crashing into the next wave and wind so loud you can't hear anyone speak below a yell.

Love it. Launch in just over 2 weeks!
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Re: Buying a boat with a non running diesel

Keep looking and be ready with cash. CL is a gold mine for low-dollar boats and money talks so don't be afraid to look at a $7K boat and offer $4K politely if you feel it is worth it.
You may be doing them a favor by getting it off of their hands before another season.

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Re: Buying a boat with a non running diesel

Run away don't walk if looking at a boat in your price range with a non working diesel. Even if you were to take the risk and do the work yourself the spare parts, IF AVAILABLE, are often expensive. EG Icyl Yanmar head and exaust elbow with gaskets 1k$+.
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Re: Buying a boat with a non running diesel

There have been a lot of nice boats listed recently in Seattle. Here are some examples:
Ranger 23
25' sailboat: Capri 25 named "SYZYGY"
1977 27' O'day Sailboat
1979 Catalina 27

None of those appear to be projects and they hit a variety of price points near yours. The Capri 25 is more race oriented than I think you want (Capri is Catalina's line of performance oriented sailboats and are lighter and more sail area than the similar sized cruising ones).
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I'll try and get some pictures of the capri. Something about the lines on those race boats really appeal.
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Re: Buying a boat with a non running diesel

newver mind, it looks like they put some up.

also this
http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/boa/3640196706.html

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