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Tach question - experts?

The installed tach on my Yanmar 44hp (type b panel) is at my shin level on the pedestal.
So I installed a new Faria tach in my Navpod where I can see it. I wired it correctly and set the adjusting knob to 127 teeth- all per my manuals, guides and such.

When I start the engine it cranks right up and shows 850 or so RPM at idle.
When I throttle up it will only go to 1600-1700 - I mean both showing on the gauge and actual RPM (you can hear it's not full speed).

A disconnect and reconnect - restart and presto - the old tach idles at 850 and throttles up to full (3600) RPM under no load.

Obviously something is wrong with my tach's settings and I need to adjust it -

But seriously - does a tach being off make it so the engine can't get up to full RPM via some sort of feedback with the alternator?
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Re: Tach question - experts?

If you're using a flywheel pickup sensor I don't see how that connection can have anything to do with the load on the engine.. for that matter neither should the stator output off the alternator..

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Re: Tach question - experts?

Come on, really? No body is the Fric and Frac of diesel's ?

It is a flywheel pickup. Yanmar 44 4jthe 1987.
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Re: Tach question - experts?

Since you're not getting any other feedback, I'll throw in a wild conjecture. Is there an electronic governor on the engine? Could the tach that you're adding be causing funky readings on the governor?
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Re: Tach question - experts?

Unless I am missing something it is a normal mechanical fuel injection diesel without any type of electronic stuff on a more modern style ?

The tack should not have any ability to affect the engine speed unlike a gasoline motor were a tack is part of the ignition circuit and a bad unit can affect spark.

I would turn the input thing-a-mcbob that sets the tack speed and see what happens as when I put the new one on my A4 the arrow was backwards
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Re: Tach question - experts?

Chuckles, with a tach reading off the flywheel sensor, you shouldn't have any interference with engine speed.

The wires on the sensor are just counting pulses, plugging and unplugging that should make no difference in how things run but do try that to verify. Then there should be two power wires for the tach, and that should just be seen as another 12-volt device, nothing special, no way to change engine speed by plugging and unplugging them.

It sounds more like you've got some kind of accidental interaction, that the tach is pulling voltage or creating a voltage loop somehow. If you had exotic electronics it could be a magnetic interference issue but I don't think Yanmar has blessed anyone with that stuff yet.

If you fire it up with the new system, and then disconnect the sensor lead to the new tach, or the power lead to the new tach, does connecting/disconnecting either of those allow your engine rpm to go up all the way again?

Is there any chance that some of the new wiring is simply blocking your throttle cable, or something "it can't be that simple" simple?
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Re: Tach question - experts?

I've not gotten back to it, waiting for input.

There are four wires to the tach, +/- for 12v, sig port and sig stbd -
I took (by T'ing in) the feed for all of them to the original tach.
I did resistance checks on each wire to ensure what was what (from the T to the engine connections (center cockpit's rule).
I swap old for new by simply disconnecting and reconnecting at the new tach (remove ring connectors, put tape over the ends).
The only thing I have not done is make the signal inputs a 'twisted pair' - they are only 18 inches long coming off the T - I'll have to try that today.
It's a 1987 engine, it's not got electronic diddly squat.

All the cabling is tied up, no binding (I can see it to check, the pedestal front is removable).

I'll go puzzle it out some more today, but thanks seriously for the input.
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Re: Tach question - experts?

It's been a long week.

It's been fixed. It was not a tach issue. More testing revealed the low RPM on the new tach was coincidental and happened (randomly) on both tach's.

The problem worked out to be the fuel shutoff solenoid not fully engaging/disengaging because it was being forced into a 320 degree loop. Apparently it had been that way for a while and my 5 hour trip on the motor bringing the boat home - as well as the sea trial - was just lucky.
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Re: Tach question - experts?

Oh, good. Glad I was right! (kidding)

Glad you were able to figure it out. How is it running now?
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Re: Tach question - experts?

It's absolutely perfect now. Thanks for asking and hope your's gets well soon.
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