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Engine will not start...Starter?

I was out sailing and when it was time to come back the engine would not start. I was towed in. Since then I have been unable to start the Universal 5411 Diesel. When turning the key the engine partially turns (2 secs.) then the starter just clicks after that. I noticed that the negative terminal on the start battery gets really hot and has smoked. I had both batteries tested and the start battery tested bad. I replaced it and the new battery made a sizzling sound when I attempted to crank the engine. I am beginning to think the solenoid/starter is the problem, but I am not sure. Any thoughts?
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Have you checked that battery wires and connections for corrosion?
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You have 3 choices-
1. The terminals are not tight or corroded
2. The starter is bad.
3. The engine is siezed.
I'd focus on # 1 and clean/re-tighten all connections.
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Replaced some cables

I replaced the ground cable with 4ga terminal wire. I replaced the jumper from batt 2 neg to batt 1 neg with 4 ga terminal wire. I replaced on ring connection due to corrosion. The two 4 ga wire have some additional corrosion or rust where the terminal got so hot it baked off the finish. I am going to go through all other connections. I think I will use Calder's suggestions for testing the starter from his Boatowners M&E Manual.
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Test to see if the starter side of the solenoid has voltage. If so try tapping the starter motor. If not try tapping the solenoid. Also make sure you can turn the engine to see if it is seized. I am in the middle of the same thing see my post in this forum about "Engine will not crank and required charging time". If it is the starter getting a new one from Torresen will cost you over $1000. I just took my starter off and my wife is supposed to be taking it to someone for a quote on a rebuild. I had rumors that these are Kubota engines and I just found http://www.frontiernet.net/~mpetrush.../maintain.html that says these are Kubota Z500 block so that might be another source for getting the part
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Sorry to say that it kinda sounds like a hydrolock.... ie water in the cylinders.. ekenna's suggestion to see if you can turn the motor over by hand is a good one.
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You can check if the engine is free easily. Just engage the compression release and turn by hand.

Yes the engine is a Kubota Z-500. If you need a starter, don't go to Universal. It's a Nippondensa and any specialty starter/alternator shop or even most good auto parts stores can get one for 1/3 the price.

Update: Spidermarine.com has the starter for $90.

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I'm thinking the starting is pulling way more current than it should. You could pull it off and have it tested.
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the starter just clicks after that.
Fairly obvious that the starter is not getting the battery amps it needs! No others fit
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Yup!

Most likely culprits, in this order:

1. Bad connections & undersized wire;
2. Low battery voltage;
3. Bad solenoid;
4. Seized engine;
5. Bad starter.

Chances better than 50% it's #1.

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