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sstuller 05-23-2012 05:30 AM

Echo Charger with standby battery bank
 
Can you use an Echo Charger to charge and maintain a standby battery bank that has the same capacity as the primary bank (100 AH @ 24 volts)? Am using a solar panel for charging which is idle once the primary bank is charged. Thanks. Steve S.

Maine Sail 05-23-2012 06:41 AM

Re: Echo Charger with standby battery bank
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sstuller (Post 874428)
Can you use an Echo Charger to charge and maintain a standby battery bank that has the same capacity as the primary bank (100 AH @ 24 volts)? Am using a solar panel for charging which is idle once the primary bank is charged. Thanks. Steve S.

If your other bank is no longer receiving a charge the Echo will also shut down..

btrayfors 05-23-2012 07:43 AM

Re: Echo Charger with standby battery bank
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Maine Sail (Post 874437)
If your other bank is no longer receiving a charge the Echo will also shut down..

Well, yes and no. So long as the EchoCharge is sensing more than 13.0V on the main bank, including a "float level" of 13.2V or more, it will continue to pass some current to the auxiliary bank.

So, the answer to the OP's question is, YES, it will maintain the standby battery just fine.

Bill

Maine Sail 05-23-2012 08:18 AM

Re: Echo Charger with standby battery bank
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by btrayfors (Post 874452)
Well, yes and no. So long as the EchoCharge is sensing more than 13.0V on the main bank, including a "float level" of 13.2V or more, it will continue to pass some current to the auxiliary bank.

So, the answer to the OP's question is, YES, it will maintain the standby battery just fine.

Bill

A battery bank not receiving a charge will easily drop below the Echo turn on of 13.0V and the Echo will then shut off. 13.0V is a surface charge only and a full battery is about .3V below that.. If the battery was not full when the other bank stopped charging the bank fed by the Echo may not get full..

If the other bank is getting no charging it won't hang out above 13 volts very long especially with the Echo lightly loading it... It might stay above 13V for an hour or so, depending upon temp and how much the Echo is trying to pull, but that's about it..

I suspect Steve might do well to invest in a good controller that goes into float rather than shutting off completely.. If we knew what controller he has and the size of the array we could be of better assistance..

sstuller 05-23-2012 05:42 PM

Re: Echo Charger with standby battery bank
 
I'm using a Steca controller that has a float stage. One of the questions I have about the Echo is the statement that it will provide 15 amps to the auxiliary battery bank if the voltage differential is 1.5 volts between the banks. Since the solar panel doesn't come close to that output, is the Echo output limited to the solar panel's output? Thanks.

btrayfors 05-23-2012 07:10 PM

Re: Echo Charger with standby battery bank
 
Let's not make this more complicated than it is.

If there's a charging voltage on the main battery -- and a float voltage of 13.2-13.6VDC qualifies as a charging voltage -- then the EchoCharge will pass thru some current to the auxiliary battery.

If the main battery voltage falls below about 13VDC, as it would if all charging sources were removed, then the EchoCharge will cut off.

A solar panel has plenty of potential to keep the voltage above 13VDC, so long as there is light. When there is no light or very low light and the voltage falls below 13.0, then the EchoCharge will cut off.

Whether or not this is sufficient to your needs would depend on your setup...type/size of batteries, size of solar panel, type of controller, other charging sources, how you use the boat, etc.

BTW, your original post said 24V. Is this a 24V system? Details, please.

Bill

sstuller 05-24-2012 03:50 AM

Re: Echo Charger with standby battery bank
 
It is a 24 volt 100 AH system for a Torqeedo 801. There is a 24 volt 130 watt solar panel (35 vmp) for charging. The 100 AH battery capacity is plenty for daysailing. For cruising I would like to add extra battery capacity for the occasional long day but don't need the extra weight for daysailing. Thanks.

Maine Sail 05-24-2012 05:56 AM

Re: Echo Charger with standby battery bank
 
If your controllers float can keep the battery voltage above 13v, which is what a "float" feature will do, the the Echo will work just fine..

btrayfors 05-24-2012 10:26 AM

Re: Echo Charger with standby battery bank
 
OK, you have a 24V system. All my comments (and Maine Sail comments above) were predicated on a 12V system, but it shouldn't make any difference to you because the EchoCharge works with both 12V and 24V systems.

The following is from the Xantrex EchoCharge manual:

QUOTE
When the input voltage is 13.0/25.5 volts DC or higher, echo-charge
automatically switches ON. The LED glows a steady green. When the
input voltage is lower than 13.0/25.5 volts, the echo-charge automatically
switches OFF, and the LED blinks green.

The output voltage of echocharge is limited to 14.4/28.8 volts. When it reaches 14.4/28.8 volts, the charge current will decrease, maintaining a float condition. The starter battery will be fully charged without overcharging.
No load current drain on the house bank is less than 50 milli-amps.

If the input voltage is above 14.4 volts (or 28.8), output will be limited to a
maximum of 14.4/28.8 volts.
UNQUOTE

Bill

sstuller 06-05-2012 03:54 AM

Re: Echo Charger with standby battery bank
 
An Echo Charger is considered a B2B charger (battery to battery). No one answered my question as to whether the Echo can draw up to 15amps from the primary bank or is limited to the output of the solar panel (4 amps). Thanks.


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