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Crimpers & Crimp Terminals

So I'm planning-out what and how to begin straightening out Abracadabra's electrical. I've read the many posts by Maine Sail and others on the issues. Here's what I'm wondering/thinking...

Crimpers. I don't know Ancor. I do know Paladin. In fact: I have a Paladin crimper, with changeable dies, which currently has an RG-58/RG-59/RG-8x die set in it. I'm thinking buy one of these two die sets for it:



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The top is listed as 22-14 AWG. The bottom as 22-10 AWG. The top looks more like what I've seen recommended for insulated terminals. This brings us to...

The crimp-on terminals. I can't see the expense of heat-shrink terminals. They cost many, many times what regular insulated terminals cost. Many, many as in I've seen 250-part kits for less than the cost of heat-shrink kits with only three or four dozen terminals. Heck, for that kind of cost, I'll buy heat-shrink tubing and add it myself.

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Wire... Where to get a selection of wire suitable for marine applications that won't break the bank, especially being as I don't know just what I'll need?

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Jim
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Re: Crimpers & Crimp Terminals

Jim,

If the Paladin is decent quality and ratcheting then I think you will be fine with it. I would talk to the manufacturer to see what set of dies they reccommend for insulated terminals. I am thinking it is 2029, but it is best to make sure.

You can get good prices online for wire at genuine deals (or dealz) dot com. Just google them. I also had good luck with pkys.com on prices. One thing I liked about pkys is I could order wire by the foot at full spool prices. I was local, however, so he may not do that for everyone.

The only places I used heat shrink terminals was in locations that will get wet (bilge) or are very hard to get to later. And yes, you can make your own heat shrink terminals. Just make sure you get a good seal on the terminal before you insert the wire so you get the full benefit of the heat shrink.

If you have any questions about wiring the P30, let me know. I rewired my entire boat 4 years ago. Most of it was pretty straight forward.
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Re: Crimpers & Crimp Terminals

Nick, the Paladins are all single-crimp, it turns out. If I'm going with non-shrink insulated terminals, I believe I'm going to want double-crimp. Thanks for the pointers. I'll check them out.

Thanks for the follow-up.

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Re: Crimpers & Crimp Terminals

A double-crimp tool isn't going to buy you anything on regular crimp fittings, is it?

Between the price of adhesive-lined heat shrink--not plain heat shrink--and quality terminals and the time to cut and fit them, you may be surprised. Apples to apples, adhesive lined, the premade fittings may not be more expensive. If the adhesive filling doesn't interest you, that's something else again.
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Re: Crimpers & Crimp Terminals

Anchor also makes a double action, double crimper. If your going to be doing an extensive electrical refit, and are going to have your boat for a long time, then this is a good investment. 3M Also sells adhesive lined heat shrink for commercial electricians, and is considerably less expensive then the product sold in marine stores.
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Re: Crimpers & Crimp Terminals

Has anyone tried the Posi-Lock (Posi-Lock(R) - The Best Connectors You'll Ever Use!) no-crimp electrical connectors? They are similar in principle to the Sta-Lok connectors for standing rigging. I'm giving them a try on my boat to see if they are practical. They eliminate the problem of having the right type of crimper. Thanks. Steve S.
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Jim,

If the Paladin is decent quality and ratcheting then I think you will be fine with it. I would talk to the manufacturer to see what set of dies they reccommend for insulated terminals. I am thinking it is 2029, but it is best to make sure.
I already have a 1300-series frame. It currently has RG-58/-59/-8X dies in it. I can purchase the 2040 die set (single-crimp insulated, 22-10 AWG) for a bit over $25 from Amazon.

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You can get good prices online for wire at genuine deals (or dealz) dot com.
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The only places I used heat shrink terminals was in locations that will get wet (bilge) or are very hard to get to later.
So, after much research and consideration, here's what I'm thinking: The only terminations that are likely to get wet, regularly, if any, are in-line splices. So I'm thinking single-crimp adhesive heat-shrink butt splice connectors and double-crimp ring, or maybe even hook, terminals. In fact, as I posted elsewhere, it just occurred to me the other day that my employer uses billions of double-crimp ring terminals, in a wide range of wire and stud sizes, in manufacturing. The good stuff, too--like T&B and Panduit. I can get them at our cost. Even better: A colleague told me he had a spare double-crimp tool I could have, if it would suit my needs.

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If you have any questions about wiring the P30, let me know. I rewired my entire boat 4 years ago. Most of it was pretty straight forward.
In fact, I do: How do you get (new) wire/cable between the area of the switch/fuse panel and the mast step? I'd like to put an antenna on the masthead, and some day I'd like to put a wind transducer set up there.

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Jim
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So, after much research and consideration, here's what I'm thinking: The only terminations that are likely to get wet, regularly, if any, are in-line splices. So I'm thinking single-crimp adhesive heat-shrink butt splice connectors and double-crimp ring, or maybe even hook, terminals. In fact, as I posted elsewhere, it just occurred to me the other day that my employer uses billions of double-crimp ring terminals, in a wide range of wire and stud sizes, in manufacturing. The good stuff, too--like T&B and Panduit. I can get them at our cost. Even better: A colleague told me he had a spare double-crimp tool I could have, if it would suit my needs.
Done and done!

My colleague had work to do today, so he brought in the spare crimper he had and left it on my desk. I went in and picked it up. They've seen use, but they're not ravaged, and they're Sta-Kon/T&B, no less. They'll do . I've ordered the 22-10 ga. single-crimp dies for my Paladin 1300-series frame, now I just need to buy some parts .

I think I'll pick up some of that 3M adhesive-lined heat-shrink tubing aeventyr60 mentioned.

Thanks, everybody, for your suggestions!

Jim
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Re: Crimpers & Crimp Terminals

Hi Guys!

I have a quick question about crimping some battery cables.

I bought some 8g wire and ring lugs from Defender (no association, they're the best!); the ring lugs have no insulation and seem to fit nicely in my Panduit (?) crimper where an insulated 'yellow' connector would go. Can I crimp like its 1999 or should I buy/borrow the proper tool?

I can't find one online that says it does 8 AWG non-insulated terminals.

What's the lowest cost solution that won't leave me looking an empty ring lug and a wire in the bilge?
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