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Raymarine Smart Pilot X Series

New thread to specifically discuss Raymarine SPX Series.

Our ancient Autohelm is dead, most definitely an ex pilot, its not just having a nap, the choir invisible has a new member.

We've looked at a few possibilities and the Raymarine SP X-5 possibly with an ST70 controller seems to fit the bill.

SPX-5 Wheel Drive Pilot

Raven displaces 10,000lbs and the X-5 is rated to 16500 so it should be more than capable. She's easy on the helm, with no major vices provided of course sails are properly trimmed. Bit of weather helm in heavy weather if over trimmed but that is to be expected. We don't take the old girl far offshore, just coastal. So although there are beefier below deck units available I just don't see that we need more than X-5 offers and Raymarine has an excellent reputation in Australia (I stress in Australia) for after sales support. The SPX-5 also fits our budget.

Simplicity of use and installation are other perceived factors.

Any thoughts from existing users or users of other models or brands in this price range ?
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I highly recommend the X-5 WheelPilot. It was easy to install and configure and it handles my boat nicely (~12,000. lbs disp.) in typical coastal conditions.

Raymarine has the wheelpilot market to themselves at the moment. I had a difficult time coming up with belowdecks setup that would work, so I was glad that this unit worked so well.
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I highly recommend the X-5 WheelPilot. It was easy to install and configure and it handles my boat nicely (~12,000. lbs disp.) in typical coastal conditions.

Raymarine has the wheelpilot market to themselves at the moment. I had a difficult time coming up with belowdecks setup that would work, so I was glad that this unit worked so well.
Apologies but I missed your post....thanks for the feedback. Yes below deck is undoubtedly better but for what we need a wheel pilot will suffice.

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Wheel pilots are OK for some boats and are an easy solution for those wanting an autopilot, but even though rated for boats upto 16,500lbs I have replaced them on boats of 9,500 lbs or so like the Hunter 30's where they have failed. The primary cause was the user expecting that they can handle everything as they are rated at twice what their boat weighs. Truth is that a boat not balanced under sail and suffering weather helm will overload the wheel pilot and cause it to fail.

If you plan to cruise and use an autopilot for many hours at a time, install a below deck unit, you will be glad you did....
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Comparatively speaking, the newer Raymarine wheel pilot drive assembly is a much better bit of gear than the older (no longer supported) black units. We installed an S-1 recently without issue, including the rudder sensor which is often the biggest hassle. I believe the X-5 uses a gyro unit instead so that issue will not be there for you.

I have had some glitches since: Interfacing with the Garmin via NMEA is interesting. I don't use the feature much, but the 'track' function gets confused by the approximate amount of local variation - I believe the messages back and forth are mixing 'true' and 'magnetic' data.
Another short term glitch recently was the fluxgate/heading indication scrolling in reverse (causing positive feedback and no autohelm capability). A power recycle cleared it and I've not seen it again. I have contacted Raymarine and they replied positively that they would clear it up - though I've yet to get a second follow up.

In this area the (only) other wheel pilot we see is the Simrad - most seem happy with it but it's a very bulky unit compared to RM. Not sure of their current availability.

http://www.busse-yachtshop.de/pdf/simrad-wp30.pdf
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i love my x-5 ,steers well so far,i havent had it out in too extreme weather but it held a great course in 6ft seas that were trying to knock me a bit sideways
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r.furborough...you make good sense but reality is that this boat is going to be used predominantly by us for coastal work and I would be very surprised indeed if we were to ever do more than the odd overnight passage in her. Almost all our intended destinations are within a few days sail and even e.g Tasmania which is a week or so sail from Sydney we would be unlikely to attempt in one hit. Lord Howe Island is three or four days offshore, that is probably the longest passage we will ever make in Raven.

Our old Navico WP5000 has worked quite well for us and previous owners but at 20 years of age it is simply wearing out. The WP is long discontinued and even basic parts such as belts are almost impossible to come by. The Raymarine is a far superior machine to the auto helm and for our intended application is on paper more than adequate.

The Womboat is a quite well balanced old girl, indeed she will steer herself quite well provided she is properly trimmed. As such a wheel pilot is a worthwhile addition probably of more importance when motoring than when under sail.

If , on the other hand, we intended heading offshore for weeks at a time then without doubt I'd go for a below deck unit.

Thanks again for the feedback.
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r.furborough...you make good sense but reality is that this boat is going to be used predominantly by us for coastal work and I would be very surprised indeed if we were to ever do more than the odd overnight passage in her. Almost all our intended destinations are within a few days sail and even e.g Tasmania which is a week or so sail from Sydney we would be unlikely to attempt in one hit. Lord Howe Island is three or four days offshore, that is probably the longest passage we will ever make in Raven.

Our old Navico WP5000 has worked quite well for us and previous owners but at 20 years of age it is simply wearing out. The WP is long discontinued and even basic parts such as belts are almost impossible to come by. The Raymarine is a far superior machine to the auto helm and for our intended application is on paper more than adequate.

The Womboat is a quite well balanced old girl, indeed she will steer herself quite well provided she is properly trimmed. As such a wheel pilot is a worthwhile addition probably of more importance when motoring than when under sail.

If , on the other hand, we intended heading offshore for weeks at a time then without doubt I'd go for a below deck unit.

Thanks again for the feedback.
If you are only going coastal and your boat balances well you should be ok. Go for it and see how it works out....

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I just installed the X-5 in a 1988 C&C 30 Mk II. I replaced an ST4000 whose drive unit wore out. The X-5 is a much better design using steel ball bearings where the ST4000 used plastic "wheels" that wear out causing the ring drive to bind. Overall, the installation was about what I expected.

Calibration was a bit tricky. I found out that my ship's compass is about 15 degrees off which caused a lot of difficulty in calibration. I ended up calibrating to my chart plotter. If you do this, just make sure the heading on your chart plotter is magnetic not true.

Once calibrated, the performance is much better than the old ST4000 the "auto learn" feature considers the unique characteristics of the rudder. The drive is constantly adjusting but it tracks in a nice straight line even after hitting a large wake.

Overall a good choice.
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what capacity batteries do you have? how long are you getting the pilot to run on a charge?
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