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Hi wombat.
In 1997, in university, I attempted to switch completely to Linux. For the most part, it succeeded, but not 100%. I was able to do about 90% of what I needed to do.
Fast forward, working for a tech-forward company, I attempted to switch completely to Linux. Again, there were a few critical components that I couldn't get around, the corporations time logging system; Microsoft project management software; Microsoft Visual Basic.
For the past two years, I have attempted to go Microsoft-free again and am quite happy. The limitations are
1) Standard business software that is only available on the Windows platform. I doubt you are making project plans or drawing Visio diagrams on the boat so you may be ok.
2) Video games. You simply can't get mainstream video games to work well in the Linux world; Yes, you can play some of them, but they never work as well.

At home, my Ubuntu server runs; my firewall, e-mail server, web server, company's phone system, allows vpn access, remote proxy access, my entertainment system including HD movies, TV, music center all through my TV. I can connect and control all of the above via my blackberry from anywhere I have signal. (All of which has run for more than 258 days without a glitch... including updates!)
On my laptop, it runs all of my daily use software - including OpenCPN - including browsers, Office suite, e-mail, PDF's, etc.

The question doesn't come down to "What can't Linux do?", we must necessarily ask, "What can't the user do?" And there's the rub. I'm technical and can make it spin on its head but what can you make it do? If something goes wrong, who are you going to call to get advice? In the hands of a regular user, Microsoft Windows will inevitably fail and the response will be to swear at Microsoft and then go pay some pimply faced 14 year old to fix the issue. With Linux, it doesn't generally fail but the user generally makes a mistake which requires some know-how to get things back to the way they were... that "know-how" is hard to find if you can't do it yourself.

So... are you more willing to roll-up your sleeves and get technical? Or are you more apt to pull out your wallet and have someone else fix the issues?

Hmmm... it appears I'm more verbose than I intended to be. Feel free to msg if you get stuck.
(PS, CM93 charts work in OpenCPN...)
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Well Nemesis has three (count 'em) old laptops running Linux available for navigation. The old Toby runs a really stripped down version Salix, and the two Thinkpads, Xbuntu. They use gpsd to drive the gps and ais input to various plotter programs. SeaClear (a windoze product) runs much faster under wine on Linux and is the base system to start with. OpenCPN is the next step up, and currently we are using PolarNavy products, (we like the detail the enc charts provide). Basically the chart programs are what you are interested in and who cares what the operating system is? Linux (Ubuntu based versions) have the advantage of rejuvenating the life span of your equipment and providing a much more stable platform. A careful reading of the Eula agreement you agreed to, stated that you were to not use Windoze in life threatening situations and listed medical as an example. Remember? Well navigation clearly falls into that area so stop using it.
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I agree with most all said about Linux.

I run several servers at the office on Linux (OpenSuse) and love it. For the beginner Ubuntu is probably best (I've run them all), although if you have a bit of knowledge, you might want something more open and versatile.

Windows 7 is a LOT better than previous versions, including XP. XP does require less resources, so that needs to be a consideration. Don't try to run 7 without at least 1 gig of memory - two gigs is a better starting place.

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You know I am going to try and get you up here to do the Heaven Can Wait don't you ? Well Bent is already signed on so it could be a fun 24 hours. and we need at least one crewmember who actually knows how to race.
Nope, I forgot! You're doing the full 24hrs? Your boat? Wombet going too? When are you leaving?? My schedule is getting blooming full already.. but I could possibly make it - don't know what to do about J though. Let's take this off-line..

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Nope, I forgot! You're doing the full 24hrs? Your boat? Wombet going too? When are you leaving?? My schedule is getting blooming full already.. but I could possibly make it - don't know what to do about J though. Let's take this off-line..



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Aha ... at least now I understand the Penguin.

Yes , off line - nice talking to you we'll see how its all looking in a week or two.

Jordan H, well said. I'm content to roll up my sleeves when necessary. While I am a long long way from being any kind of computer expert I have been using and playing with the things since Dos was a babe in arms, indeed part of my work is trying to keep a Dos based accounting system alive in an XP environment since our last Windows 98 machine lay down, logged off and went to silicon heaven.

Anywho, I'm about to dump the hard drive's data onto a portable, do some Linux downloading and see if she flies. Will take a day or three but finger scrossed and eyes tightly closed. All will be well cos I live by the Wombat code "when in danger or in doubt, run in circles scream and shout".

FDR ... thanks for the advice .... I will remember it and never again Google on a Windows box if I need urgent medical advice.

Tom .... even XP is a bit iffy on 1 gig if you do anything seriously graphic.


btw .... ref my reamrk re Dos based accounting system .... is there a Dos emulator for Linux ...

and to save my "marriage" .... is it LEYEKNUCKS as in Linus or L IN NUCKS ?

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Hi tdw...

My preference is Ubuntu. Not because it's more or less technical than other flavours, but because I got lazy. So here's the answers to your questions...

In Ubuntu, you can search for new software using the various graphical front ends to apt, but I prefer command line interface. You want a dos emulator? Try...
$ apt-cache search dos
Too much info?
$ apt-cache search | grep -i emulator
Looks like there are two listed... that's not a recommendation, but you can try either. If those don't meet your needs, go hunting for other packages.

To save your marriage, from the creator himself, " http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronuncia...says-linux.mp3 " (source: Paul Sladen: Howto pronounce Linux )
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FDR ... thanks for the advice .... I will remember it and never again Google on a Windows box if I need urgent medical advice.
I fail to see how looking for help on "swollen nipples" will do any har... oh my god, what has a happened to the clean & wholesome Internet I used to know!!

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btw .... ref my reamrk re Dos based accounting system .... is there a Dos emulator for Linux ...
There are actually several, though I've only ever used DOSBox myself. What support do you need from it?

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and to save my "marriage" .... is it LEYEKNUCKS as in Linus or L IN NUCKS ?
L-IN-NUCKS. At least, if you take the creator's word for it
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I fail to see how looking for help on "swollen nipples" will do any har... oh my god, what has a happened to the clean & wholesome Internet I used to know!!



There are actually several, though I've only ever used DOSBox myself. What support do you need from it?



L-IN-NUCKS. At least, if you take the creator's word for it
How'd you know my nipples were swollen ?

Clean and wholesome ? You mean there was once another internet, undefiled ? Well I never.

Not sure what you mean by support. The program runs quite well (it is single user, does not need network capability) on XP though not as good as it did on W-98. Only real problem I have with it at the moment relates to printers. Programme only has limited number of printer drivers and I'm trying to work out how to get it to ignore its default dot matrix printer and print on an ink jet or laser. I had that sussed on our old W-98 machine but when it fired itself I've not bee able to get it working on XP. On w98 I had it jigged up so that when it went to the dot matrix port and the printer was turned off it automatically rerouted to the inkjet. Cannot make that work on XP.

oh - if you are wondering why I want to do this, have you tried buying cartridges for DM printers lately ? What's more you can only re-ink the suckers so many times.

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How'd you know my nipples were swollen ?
I'm trying desperately not to invoke Rule 34 by referring to the web-cams for those having a marsupial fetish... bugger, I meta'd myself

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Honestly? No. I believe that the Internet was designed for the purpose of getting porn to military installations even when parts of their communications infrastructure was down. All this other stuff was an unintended side-effect of the initial PlayBoy delivery system

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Not sure what you mean by support. The program runs quite well (it is single user, does not need network capability) on XP though not as good as it did on W-98. Only real problem I have with it at the moment relates to printers. Programme only has limited number of printer drivers and I'm trying to work out how to get it to ignore its default dot matrix printer and print on an ink jet or laser. I had that sussed on our old W-98 machine but when it fired itself I've not bee able to get it working on XP. On w98 I had it jigged up so that when it went to the dot matrix port and the printer was turned off it automatically rerouted to the inkjet. Cannot make that work on XP.
What I meant by support was "What do you need the emulator to do?"

Some emulators are designed purely to play really old games and therefore don't need much more than support for video, sound, & keyboard input. Others are designed for replacing old systems that connect to serial ports and the like, but tend to be less simple in installation as a consequence. Sad fact about us nerds is that we prioritise the ability to waste time (i.e. supporting the emulation of Pong & Pac Man) over the ability to actually use a computer for business - so the game-related projects tend to be much easier to get & use than productive stuff. We had Quake on Linux far before we had a reasonable word processor (and I don't care what some of my fellow nerds say, LaTex is not the same).

From the sounds of it, you'll need an emulator with serial port capability which will narrow your search some.

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oh - if you are wondering why I want to do this, have you tried buying cartridges for DM printers lately ? What's more you can only re-ink the suckers so many times.
I don't want to know. I have enough troubles with the office printer without going back ten years!
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Back to this thread to say thanks to all of you who offered advise and assistance.

Had a few things on my plate recently so it was not until this weekend I had the chance to actually do the install. I'd downloaded onto a USB stick instead of a CD cos Ubuntu site said that was cool. Either I did something wrong or they mislead this poor sad fool. Anywho, burnt the files onto the CD, rebooted off CD and away we went.

I now have what looks like a prefectly operational Linux machine and while I still need to download/setup a few bibs and bobs it seems to be AOK. Linked straight into my home wireless network without any drama

Next step is to see how the DOS emulater works and whether or not I really can get MaxSea up and running. All in all very impressive though I'm a bit iffy about no Malware protection. We'll see.

Thanks again folks.

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