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How permanent are those PROMs? Are they actually intended to be tamperproof, or is the permanence just a side effect of using a cheaper part not designed to be erased?
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How permanent are those PROMs? Are they actually intended to be tamperproof, or is the permanence just a side effect of using a cheaper part not designed to be erased?
I doubt that anyone here can answer this question. You would have to call the manufacturer. Be prepared to tell them why you want to know this.


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In general, DSC radios can only be sold with your boat. To activate a DSC radio (with our without AIS), you must register a MMSI for your vessel, and then enter the MMSI into the radio's permanent flash ROM. Once you have done that, the is radio permanently paired with the vessel. You can pass the MMSI to another owner (when you sell the vessel), but you cannot move the MMSI to another boat, and you cannot erase or change the MMSI once it's entered into the radio.

It is important that owners of DSC radios do not assume that they can resell the radios to offset the cost of purchasing a new radio. It is doubly important that potential purchasers of used DSC radios not get duped into buying a used radio that is permanently registered to someone else's vessel.

My advice is to NEVER buy a second-hand DSC radio (fixed mount or handheld), otherwise you won't be able to register it. Non-DSC handhelds are OK to buy second-hand (since there's no MMSI registration). Since DSC has been a requirement for all fixed-mount radios made for the last 10+ years, non-DSC fixed mount radios are all too obsolete to be worth buying on the used market.
I don't know where you got this information but I do not believe it to be true. I know that an owner can reprogram the MMSI number on a Standard Horizon radio. I checked an ICOM (the M304) and a user can enter the MMSI number and then change it once. I checked a Raymarine, the Ray 49, and the user manual states that the owner can enter the MMSI number once. The dealer or distributor can change it if required. I tried to find out about Garmin, but the owners manual wasn't on line.

I suppose it may be true, but it is not always true.

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I don't know where you got this information but I do not believe it to be true. I know that an owner can reprogram the MMSI number on a Standard Horizon radio...
It is in my Standard Horizon manual - the part where it says
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A user MMSI can be inputted only once. Therefore please be careful not to input the incorrect MMSI number. If you need to change the MMSI number after it has been entered, the radio will have to be returned to Factory Service...
It's nice that some other brands will let you change it one additional time. However, my suggestion is still not to buy a used DSC radio. Even if it's one of the brands that lets you change it once, how do you know that the previous owner (or multiple previous owners) have not already changed it the maximum number of times? If you're buying from a good friend who would refund your money or cover shipping and out of warranty costs to reset it, go ahead and buy that used radio. But if you're looking on ebay or CL, buyer beware.


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Thanks for your help

Thanks everyone for your help and advice. I ended up purchasing a ACR Nauticast Class A and B Receiver. I bought it for $110 at Hodges Marine. I also installed a Milltech Antenna splitter and connected it all to my Icom VHF and Raymarine C80. They work great. The only issue was that the Raymarine NEMA cable color coding of the small wires was wrong relative to what my Raymarine installation manual stated. Don't believe everything you read. For about $220, both units work well together.

Thanks for the help as I didn't even get one response from my C320IA owners association.

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ACR Nauticast looks like a real nice choice for someone (like you) who already has an up to date radio. The built in multiplexer looks like a really nice feature, especially for people who only have one input on their chart plotter.


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It is doubly important that potential purchasers of used DSC radios not get duped into buying a used radio that is permanently registered to someone else's vessel.

My advice is to NEVER buy a second-hand DSC radio (fixed mount or handheld), otherwise you won't be able to register it.
You can have the MMSI reset by the manufacturer. Not sure it's worth it since VHF radios are pretty cheap, but you can do it.

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Re: AIS Unit for Raymarine Chartplotter System

This might be a late post, but there is some needs for clarification.

Most DSC VHF radios will allow 3 or 5 changes in the MMSI number. It is only if they are providing AIS functions that they will accept only one entry, thanks to the paranoid US regulations. Most suppliers, like Raymarine and Standard Horizon, will reset the MMSI number for free (ok, some shipping cost here) if you can provide all the required information (previous owner, some way to contact them, and a proof of purchase).

Go ahead, buy these used if you can get this information. It is a shame to try to convince people that used equipment should not be bought. Some of use can't afford the new toys, so give us a break.
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Re: AIS Unit for Raymarine Chartplotter System

Interfacing the ICOM MA-500TR Class B AIS transponder to other navigation equipment.
By Pedro M.J. WYNS, BSc&T.

The Icom MA-500TR is a very promising AIS device when reading the promotional leaflets. Installing and integrating it with other brands of equipment can be a serious challenge, regarding the amounts of forum posts and calls for help on this issue.
Not finding any help while installing mine, I decided to write a small manual for all those unhappy people out there.
Problem 1: GPS
If you were thinking about integrating the MA-500TR with your existing GPS using NMEA0183 on any of the 3 ports, forget it, it won’t work. The MA-500TR looks for a very specific GPS sentence, the GBS line, which is a line containing data about the reliability of the received satellite signal. There are almost no commercial GPS units that deliver this sentence apart from the optional Icom GPS. If the MA-500TR does not see this particular line, he will display a “GPS not found” alert. So the bad news, you MUST buy the Icom MXG-5000 GPS antenna/receiver. I never understood why they were not sold as a package.
Problem 2: AIS data
The manual is very unclear how to attach your existing plotter. Any plotter will do, Raymarine, Garmin,… BUT… It will only work when connected to NMEA port 2. The manual is telling this port is “only for Icom Marinecommander system”, so everybody takes by default Port 1 and sets the data rate to 38400 bps, and then desperately waits for icons to appear on the map. It won’t work. You MUST use port 2.
Additional equipment:
Having bought an extra GPS it might as well serve as a backup for your existing GPS. Using the port 2 NMEA0183 output this is possible, if you set the output option to “AIS+GPS” and further adjust your plotter to look for more GPS data sources in its own menu.
If you have a DSC VHF radio it has a GPS input for automatic emergency position reports. It can be connected to port 1 and if compatible it can even do DSC calls piloted from the MA-500TR.

I hope this info was useful to you. If it helped, please drop me a little email, this keeps me motivated posting modification sheets like this one.
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Re: AIS Unit for Raymarine Chartplotter System

This is late but we have been using a Nauticast for the past 6-7 years. One of the first out at a reasonable price. It both receives and transmits. We have a lot of miles under our keel and it works like a champ and never had an issue.

NOW I do not agree on a splitter. In our opinion our vhf antenna is for our radio and our ais antenna is for our ais period. We like redundancy. We mounted the ais antenna above the bimini between our solar panels and can see boats a long way off and never had an issue with it. As with our Nauticast we also put on a separate gps for it and it is also above the bimini between the solar panels.

We did keep a separate gps for the chartplotter in the salon that also feeds our vhf and ssb.

Just our thoughts and opinion
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