How tender is an Erickson 38? - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > Boat Builders Row > Ericson
 Not a Member? 


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 07-09-2008
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 144
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 12
ereiss is on a distinguished road
How tender is an Erickson 38?

As we look to replace our recently sold Pearson 33-2, the Admiral has emphasized that the next boat has to be "stiff". A tender boat significantly lessens her ease on board.

On my P33-2 I put a first reef in at about 18 knots and there was no weather helm and it stayed at 15 degrees.

Any comments or experience with the Erickson 38 would be greatly appreciated.

I can be reached off line, if that is you preferred way at:

ereiss - at-gmail-dot-com

Thank you

Ed Reiss
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #2  
Old 07-09-2008
ASA and PSIA Instructor
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Posts: 3,425
Thanks: 6
Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts
Rep Power: 15
sailingfool will become famous soon enough
You should be fine with any Erickson or Pearson fin keel boats, just avoid shallow draft or wing keels. You'll need to live with 6' draft or so.
__________________
Certified...in several regards...
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #3  
Old 07-09-2008
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 144
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 12
ereiss is on a distinguished road
ah, it's the winged keel that I was looking at

We do need less than 5' of draft, so does that mean that only the full depth keel is stiff?

thanks
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #4  
Old 07-09-2008
ASA and PSIA Instructor
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Posts: 3,425
Thanks: 6
Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts
Rep Power: 15
sailingfool will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by ereiss View Post
We do need less than 5' of draft, so does that mean that only the full depth keel is stiff?

thanks
It's all in the physics unfortunately, so I would say yes. Scheel and wings can help, but I don't think anyone really gets a stiff boat without keel depth. Do you really need less than 5', that stinks. You may not need much more, for example the C&C 35 Mark II is recognized as a very stiff boat but has a draft of only 5'3". There's a discussion of Ericson keels at Boat Review - Ericson 38 - Southwinds, July 2002 looks like there a wing at 5'3" that might be worth trying...stiff is a very relative term. The Ericson 38 is a sweet boat, as is the sister design Ericson 35 mark II.
__________________
Certified...in several regards...
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #5  
Old 07-09-2008
chucklesR's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Pasadena Md - Magothy side
Posts: 5,958
Thanks: 10
Thanked 30 Times in 30 Posts
Rep Power: 9
chucklesR is a jewel in the rough chucklesR is a jewel in the rough chucklesR is a jewel in the rough
Now if you really want stiff, look here: Performance Cruising Inc. - The Official Gemini 105MC and Telstar 28 Web

It doesn't get any stiffer.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #6  
Old 07-09-2008
ASA and PSIA Instructor
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Posts: 3,425
Thanks: 6
Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts
Rep Power: 15
sailingfool will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by chucklesR View Post
Now if you really want stiff, look here: Performance Cruising Inc. - The Official Gemini 105MC and Telstar 28 Web

It doesn't get any stiffer.
I wouldn't want to own any sailboat where "burying the rail..." means you've gotten into big trouble...I'm going to get my speed fixes by buying a motorcycle...

PS - I guess you know SD, he's got one of those nutty boats too.
__________________
Certified...in several regards...

Last edited by sailingfool; 07-09-2008 at 02:12 PM.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #7  
Old 07-09-2008
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 144
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 12
ereiss is on a distinguished road
More on "Tender"

My prior boat drew 3' 7" so I got spoiled. I think we could go as deep as th 5' 6" or so. With that limitation can we be in an Ericson that the Admiral will not have her fingernails in my arm in 18 knots of wind? I realize that "stiff" is a relative term but, unfortunately, she heard someone say "those Ericsons are very tender" and now I need to overcome that in my search for our next boat.

Thank you for any help.

Ed
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #8  
Old 07-09-2008
kreinestja's Avatar
TKE
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: New England
Posts: 19
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
kreinestja is on a distinguished road
Tender Ericson

Ed, my husband and I own a Ericson 38-200. You may want your wife to keep her nails very short. I really have a hard time on our boat once the winds hit 15 knots. I've only been sailing for the past three years and I can honestly say I've gotten better with the sensation, but in my opinion the Ericson is tender and heels a lot. I also know that we should reef more and the sails that we often use are too big.
She is a wonderful vessel; there is no denying her quality throughout. Please feel free to contact me with any questions you may have. I will be happy to forward them on to my husband who may have some valuable advice and or different opinions than mine. There is a very helpful group on "Ericsonyachts.org"

Regards,
Jeri
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #9  
Old 09-29-2008
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 69
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 13
rwcat is on a distinguished road
Ericsons come with tall/standard mast heights and have more than one keel configuration (at least that's what I recall) Taller masts were preferred in areas of calmer wind conditions, e.g. Southern California vesus San Francisco Bay sailing. I think the Ericson 38 is a capable boat for coastwise sailing and can also for occasional bluewater passages. I wouldn't select it for a circumnavigation...but I'm sure it could. Google Ericson 38's ...I'm sure you will find answers to your concerns.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #10  
Old 07-31-2009
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Oceanside CA
Posts: 691
Thanks: 3
Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts
Rep Power: 13
jephotog is on a distinguished road
I've been racing an Ericson 38 this summer and been caught out in a few blows. Keep in mind this boat has been rigged to race, but is also a family vacation home. I would not call this boat tender by any means. Of course i learned to race on a KIWI 35 a similar lengthed boat that weighed around 3000lbs. We never had to do anything other than put up a smaller headsail. I guess we have been in winds 30+. My guess a good point to reef the main, if not racing would be around 20+knots.

I would love to own this boat.
__________________
Jordan
West Wight Potter 14 "Lemon Drop"
Oceanside CA
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Tender or Stiff ricccccc General Discussion (sailing related) 12 09-06-2012 10:09 PM
Plastimo 240H tender dm567 Gear & Maintenance 0 08-13-2007 03:25 PM
Tender marking requirements joub General Discussion (sailing related) 1 02-20-2004 08:15 AM
erickson 26 , beneteau 26 or cat-ketch gmrfreespirit Boat Review and Purchase Forum 0 11-16-2003 09:48 AM
Tender is the Vessel SailNet Buying a Boat Articles 0 06-12-2001 08:00 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:13 PM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.