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Re: Safety Equipment for Offshore Sailing

"ISAF regs ask for just 2 smokes. To be useful you'd need "
ISAF sometimes actually does consider factors of costs and stowage space.

But two smokes is actually twice as many as you should need or use. The purpose of pyros in general is not to amuse the ships over the horizon ("Oh, that's Titanic sending up fireworks.") but rather, you DO NOT use the pyros until you can see a rescuer. Then you use them to help the rescuer figure out where you are, instead of making them scan the sea looking for a tiny dot.

So, one smoke is enough. Two gives you a spare in case the one went bad.

And if you need some outside agency to tell you how many pyros or other safety equipment is "enough"...well, maybe it is a Darwin thing, really. You carry "enough" and if that decision was wrong, Darwin was right. Yes?
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I would say it depends on where you are sailing. I can think of two stories where people were lost st sea and used flairs and smoke more than twice and the airplane and ships never spotted them.
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If they were lost at sea they died without being rescued. So, how would you know how many smoke or flares they used if they died without being rescued to tell the tale? How would you even know of they used the pyros while there was anyone to see them?
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my point is that it depends on where the person is sailing. If your sailing on a lake thats one thing you will eventually drift to land. How do I know because they lived. One guy was adrift for 77 days in a life raft and the others were adrift in a dingy for 6 weeks.

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So because someone used a flare and no one saw it...33 years ago...you think flares are useless, ignoring the many times they have been seen and responded to?

That's assuming the one person who was NOT lost at sea for 76 days, not 77, was Steve Callahan?
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I never wrote flairs were useless. I was pointing out that more than two might be needed.
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Re: Safety Equipment for Offshore Sailing

You might want to read the regulations covering mandatory safety equipment. The legal minimum, state or federal, is usually THREE. So yes, more than two will be needed.

How many did those folks in the life rafts have? And were they SOLAR pyros, or the cheapies that most boaters carry?

If you've never actually seen flares shot off, one look at how well the cheap ones can be seen is all it takes to send you out to buy the SOLAS pyros.
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Re: Safety Equipment for Offshore Sailing

So, interestingly enough, I just attended a Safety at Sea Seminar where we shot of a LOT of pyrotechnics. We had USCG and SOLAS, maybe a couple of hundred or so.

I was astonished at a failure rate of about 10-20%.


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