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Well I thought I was on the home stretch toward launching when I finished the cutlass bearing from hell. All I had to do was drop the rig, do an inspection, replace all the lights, mount the new wind sensor and antenna. One good day in the yard and off I'd go!

Not so fast. I've had this boat since '08 and this is the first time I've dropped the mast, though I did have a local yard inspect the rig three summers ago using a high reach (they pronounced everything good).

When we got the rig on the ground the first thing I noticed was the masthead light was toast from UV (I expected that), same with the lens on the steaming light (no problem ordering a new lens). Then I started looking at the rigging...not good.

Evidently somewhere along the line there was a furler jam that started to unwind the wire in the forestay. I'm pretty careful about not forcing anything, which has me wondering how long it's been this way and did the other yard miss this when they did the inspection? The surveyor in '08 didn't go up the rig.



When I think about some of the winds we were sailing in last season I get a sinking feeling in my stomach.

I allowed myself to put this job off the past two seasons because the yard where I stored for the winter wasn't equipped to take down the mast.

So here's the question. For those of you who don't take the mast down every winter how often do you pull your rig for an inspection? What's prudent vs. overkill?
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Re: Forestay Nasty Surprise

I don't see your halyard run through the 'restrainer' in the picture.. had it been it might have prevented the culprit halyard wrap. Or had you already pulled it out?

Around here where boats stay in the water all year I reckon there are plenty of boats that haven't dropped the rig in perhaps decades... lots of trusting to 'luck' I suspect.
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I don't see your halyard run through the 'restrainer' in the picture.. had it been it might have prevented the culprit halyard wrap. Or had you already pulled it out?
Faster, you're seeing the spinnaker halyard in that shot, the jib halyard does run through the "preventer", It's just visible coming out of the preventer at the top of the photo.

I had Dave (the marina owner) take a look at it and he commented that this preventer was probably added by a previous owner as it's not stock on Catalinas. The fact that it's there is one of the reasons I'm wondering about the age of the damage...

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Around here where boats stay in the water all year I reckon there are plenty of boats that haven't dropped the rig in perhaps decades... lots of trusting to 'luck' I suspect.
I got the same thing talking to folks at the dockside pub after I found this. Most said they hadn't dropped their rig in many years if at all. I'm trying to figure out what makes sense from a preventative maintenance standpoint.
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Faster, you're seeing the spinnaker halyard in that shot, the jib halyard does run through the "preventer", It's just visible coming out of the preventer at the top of the photo.

I had Dave (the marina owner) take a look at it and he commented that this preventer was probably added by a previous owner as it's not stock on Catalinas. The fact that it's there is one of the reasons I'm wondering about the age of the damage...
Gotcha... can just see the wire there now, sorry. Probably does mean it happened some time ago
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Every 5 years the rig should be thoroughly inspected from top to bottom. Be thankful you found this!
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Re: Forestay Nasty Surprise

We drop our mast every 5-7 years or so but inspect every year. Since its rod rigging hard to see problems from a cursory inspection.

Is the Dave , Dave from Silver Cloud? If it is he's top notch. He helped us a few years ago when we were returning from Long Island Sound to the Chesapeake with a muffler? mixer issue . Top notch operation.
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Is the Dave , Dave from Silver Cloud? If it is he's top notch. He helped us a few years ago when we were returning from Long Island Sound to the Chesapeake with a muffler? mixer issue . Top notch operation.
It is. For multiple reasons I decided to haul at Silver Cloud ahead of Sandy rather than at our marina and I'm glad we did.

I agree with everything you said about Dave and Silver Cloud. Not only is he sharp but his son Dennis and the guys he has working for him know their stuff.

You picked a good spot to troubleshoot your muffler problem.
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Re: Forestay Nasty Surprise

A little bit of luck and some heavy leaning on the tolerances that are built into "safety margins". This is the kind of thing that makes you happy you (or the designer) went a size up on the wire.

Nice catch and thanks for alerting us to the merits of dropping the rig periodically for a really good inspection. Might have to do that before departing for the big trip instead of just going up the mast for a look-see.

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Well I thought I was on the home stretch toward launching when I finished the cutlass bearing from hell. All I had to do was drop the rig, do an inspection, replace all the lights, mount the new wind sensor and antenna. One good day in the yard and off I'd go!

Not so fast. I've had this boat since '08 and this is the first time I've dropped the mast, though I did have a local yard inspect the rig three summers ago using a high reach (they pronounced everything good).

When we got the rig on the ground the first thing I noticed was the masthead light was toast from UV (I expected that), same with the lens on the steaming light (no problem ordering a new lens). Then I started looking at the rigging...not good.

Evidently somewhere along the line there was a furler jam that started to unwind the wire in the forestay. I'm pretty careful about not forcing anything, which has me wondering how long it's been this way and did the other yard miss this when they did the inspection? The surveyor in '08 didn't go up the rig.



When I think about some of the winds we were sailing in last season I get a sinking feeling in my stomach.

I allowed myself to put this job off the past two seasons because the yard where I stored for the winter wasn't equipped to take down the mast.

So here's the question. For those of you who don't take the mast down every winter how often do you pull your rig for an inspection? What's prudent vs. overkill?
Ahoy JIm,

I just got done doing a refit on my mast in Thailand. I've pulled the mast 3 times in 18 years. Since it is an old woody it requires a bit more care. Each time I've found different issues, that I did not catch on my up the mast/rig inspections. This time I removed all fittings, sanded, painted, refinshed, scarfed in some new wood and replaced the mast head fittings for the forestay/backstay. Next year I'll rerig with new SS wire.

Not sure what others do, but this schedule seems to work for me, especially given the miles we are putting on.
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