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Re: need rudder part for 1951 Beetle Boat Gull

The Dyer Dhow sailing dinghy uses a removable rudder. The company is still in business. Maybe you can adapt their parts (all bronze) or some another dinghy company that uses a removable rudder.
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Re: need rudder part for 1951 Beetle Boat Gull

As I look at my Beetle sailor transom assembly, I notice that it looks exactly like an external sail track. Why not just use a gooseneck slide attached to the rudder? This would allow the rudder to pivot and would also allow the rudder to move upward if it strikes bottom; preventing damage. I don't know if this was the original design, but it seems like a good solution. My bronze track is 3/4", I haven't found a gooseneck slide that size yet, but I could always change out the track to fit the available slide.
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Re: need rudder part for 1951 Beetle Boat Gull

Dunne and Hipster001 -- I too have a (Carl) Beetle Gull, so I understand what you are saying with regard to the original hardware for the rudder. Odd setup.

There is some information on the Catboat page (I don't know the link offhand, but can find it). One fellow (name is on file) from "FancyNancy" boatyard fixed up a Beetle Swan and a Beetle Gull. His photos are online. He also wrote up some of the history from the book _Heart of Glass_. When I first got my Gull, I didn't know what it was, but knew that is was a OLDIE. So heavy. DENSE and thick like cast iron.

I was determined to find out what the boat was (I used to "waste time" persusing sailboat sites, ads, and CL). Then I spotted the hull and it was the rehabilitated Gull from the fellow I mentioned above. He is in Georgia, I believe. In restoring his Gull, he swapped out the old rail (track) system and for the conventional pintle and gudgeon set up.

If I recall correctly (but it's online), the boat was made by Carl Beetle around 1959 and was one of the first (not the very first) production glass sailboats. It was apparently baked in the GE ovens (perhaps Pittsfield, MA). Either in the book The Heart of Glass or in the Georgia restorer's narrative, there is a story of how, to convince prospective buyers about the reliability of this new material, C. Beetle fires gunshots into the hull. Sounds like something my father might have done.

Beetle (Fairhaven, MA) was ahead of his time and lost money on his glass boats. His boat company was sold and that company continued to build the wooden Beetle Cats.

My Gull is in need of restoration. It has the centerboard, thwart, and the rudder with hardware. No mast, boom or sail.

I can photograph the rudder track parts and (try to) put them here if anyone is interested.
I think I will part will my Gull as I've got too many boats and projects.
Another odd ball rudder set up is to be found on the Boston Whaler Squall -- another sail-row-motor dinghy. I've got one of those too, but no sail rig (yet). The Squall's rudder has a very long pintle that fits into a sort of "built-in" slot inside the transom. Try reproducing that at home I've heard that the BW Squall is not so good at sailing, but makes a great tender or lobsterman's dinghy as it is reasonably self-bailing. No Nor'easter, but will self bail with reasonable rain and if boat isn't laden with gear. It has a double hull, unlike the Beetle Gull.
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Re: need rudder part for 1951 Beetle Boat Gull

I would love to see a photo of the rudder hardware. If you can't post it, could you e-mail it to me at:secure57@comcast.net? I don't know how old mine is, the transom plate says it was made by Beetle Boat Co. in New Bedford, MA. I think that was where they were originally made. It's a great little boat. The only info I have is a sales pamphlet.
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Re: need rudder part for 1951 Beetle Boat Gull

I shot some photos of the rudder and hardware and then decided I'd edit photos I took a few years ago of the Gull. I don't believe I have yet mastered uploading any photos to (wherever the should go). I can try uploading them for this message, but I am an new/infrequent poster, so that may not yet be allowed.

I just realized that I cannot yet post links, so I won't. You might have results if you type something like Beetle Gull rudder into a search engine. I've put the photos on a photo site (can I give name or is that a link?). I guess you could just complete "Yellow Shafted ------" to get the place.

I've not gotten to fix mine up. Well, to sail, it will need a mast and boom. I've tried spars from other boats, but the opening is rather narrow. Can anyone tell me the dimensions of the mast and boom? I'd guess it would want to be about 18' tall. What are those of you sailing your Gulls using for spars? Sail?
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PS My photos are sized to large for posting here. I'll try to resize when I can
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Re: need rudder part for 1951 Beetle Boat Gull

I found the your photos on-line and they give me the information I've been trying to find! My boat is the same, just a couple of feet shorter. My seats are mahogany. That piece of lucite on the foredeck of yours is not original. You should be able to have a mast made up from Dwyer Masts. The hole in the deck for mine is 2.0 x 2.25" and they seem to have a mast shape that would fit that.
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