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Re: Recommendation for running rigging lines

Does anyone have any experience with the Novatech XLE?
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Re: Recommendation for running rigging lines

Novatech XLE is overpriced for what it is.

It has very high stretch compared to XLS or Sta-Set. It isn't much cheaper than either of them. It is no cheaper than Samson LS, and yet still has more stretch than that.

I pay attention to stretch first since most lines are already overly strong for their needs. We size more based on what is comfortable to handle and works well on winches than what is necessary for stretch. Otherwise I could run 1/4" XLS Extra as my jib sheets and it would be plenty strong.

The main sellers of Novatech line try to disguise the stretch characteristics to avoid showing you how stretchy it is. You can find the real information here:
XLE Performer | Novabraid

5% stretch at 20% of breaking strength. To put that into perspective a halyard on a 40' mast with 10' of line on the deck going back to the mast (a typical setup for a 30' boat) 20% is 2.5' of stretch.

Comparison stretch numbers are 2.6% (LS), 2.2% (XLS), 0.8% (XLS Extra), 0.6% (Warpspeed), 2% (Sta-Set), 1.8% (Sta-Set X and VPC).

XLE does have some applications. Main sheets that aren't run to a winch will rarely see high loads and are way oversized for comfort. You could use it there. It would also work okay for short lines like traveler control lines. However in those short applications it isn't that expensive to use higher quality stuff.

As far as I'm concerned Cajun Ropes is outright lying when they compare XLE to XLS and Sta-Set.
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Re: Recommendation for running rigging lines

page 15 has a wee bit of the stretch question.
http://www.neropes.com/Resources/06NER_marine_final.pdf

overall a fairly informative read--though it is 'sales-y'

the stuff that is being made these days is so strong I generally tend to look for the 'hand comfort' factor. Some of this 'stronger than steel stuff' would probably not break befoere standing/mast step failed.
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Re: Recommendation for running rigging lines

Speaking of running rigging.... for my CT 56, I recently bought 7/8 Sta Set for the sheets, because the previous sheets were 7/8, and I am having some issues.

First and worst, if you don't manually pull the line out of the winch where it would hit the lead while winding, it jams up so bad I have had to use another nearby winch to pull the line out.

What is that usually a sign of? If others have had this experience.... ?
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Re: Recommendation for running rigging lines

QM - yes the brochure is a bit sales-y, but it's supposed to be.
I'm a NER dealer, and if you have any questions feel free to email or shoot me a PM.

http://harneyyachtrigging.com

DS - That is an odd problem. When was the last time the winch was serviced? Are the 'jaws' loose? Or the cap loose? Same problem on both primary winches?
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Re: Recommendation for running rigging lines

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QM - yes the brochure is a bit sales-y, but it's supposed to be.
I'm a NER dealer, and if you have any questions feel free to email or shoot me a PM.

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DS - That is an odd problem. When was the last time the winch was serviced? Are the 'jaws' loose? Or the cap loose? Same problem on both primary winches?
Hi!

I repacked the bearings with grease this past winter, everything is nice and tight, I can't see or feel anything even slightly wrong with the winch(s).
Yes, this same thing happens on both sheets' winches!

It seems that it must be the size of the line (sheets) for the self tailing gripper(s). Once the line comes around to where the lead is at the top of the winch it binds right there! And if you don't see that this is happening, OMG, it binds in there so tight you can not pull it out unless you use a neighboring winch to yank the line out of that bound situation.

If anything the 7/8 inch line (Sta Set) is too big, as opposed to possibly being too small.

So, has anyone experienced or know about this issue?

If the line is too big, is anyone interested in 2 bran new 7/8 inch Sta Set sheet lines - 80 feet long each...?
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Re: Recommendation for running rigging lines

Doug, what winches do you have?
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Re: Recommendation for running rigging lines

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Doug, what winches do you have?

HI!

They are Barlow 32 self tailing / 2 speed.

IDeas?

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Re: Recommendation for running rigging lines

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HI!

They are Barlow 32 self tailing / 2 speed.

IDeas?

Thank you,
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It seems 3/4" (19mm) is the largest line diameter recommended for the 32. Some say you should not exceed one size smaller than the max on a self-tailer.

Too large a diameter line, particularly one that would stretch and reduce in diameter under load like Sta-Set, would then expand as it exited the self-tailer up against the stripper. Could become too big for the stripper to deal with. Some suggest that the max line should be no larger than one size below the max.

7/8" Sta-Set would also be extraordinarily heavy, particularly when wet. If the load on your sails requires that large of a line, I would consider something with a bit more performance, even perhaps Sta-Set X. The added strength would allow for a smaller line size, less weight on the clew and better performance in the winch.

I'm a bit surprised that your boat would require lines quite that big. I would even think 5/8" would be more than enough in Sta-Set, let alone a higher performance line.
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Re: Recommendation for running rigging lines

I have to agree with Minn. Sounds like they're too big, 7/8" line is massive. However I would go with VPC rather than sta-set x for sheets. X is being phased out and only really good for halyards as it's very stiff to use as sheets. See if you can get a sample of VPC in 5/8" and try it out.
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