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Re: Recommendation for running rigging lines

I just went to look up the tensile strength of 7/8" Sta-Set and it doesn't appear that NE Ropes shows anything above 18mm (a bit bigger than 5/8") on their website. Sure it was Sta-Set?

I don't disagree with the poster who suggests VPC over Sta-Set X. I wasn't making an exact suggestion, just suggesting a slightly higher up the food chain line might work better.

I was interested to see, when looking up tensile strengths, that they are not necessarily higher for the same size line, in these modestly better performers (X or VPC). It seems the real advantage is in stretch, weight or perhaps whether they absorb water.
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Re: Recommendation for running rigging lines

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It seems 3/4" (19mm) is the largest line diameter recommended for the 32. Some say you should not exceed one size smaller than the max on a self-tailer.

Too large a diameter line, particularly one that would stretch and reduce in diameter under load like Sta-Set, would then expand as it exited the self-tailer up against the stripper. Could become too big for the stripper to deal with. Some suggest that the max line should be no larger than one size below the max.

7/8" Sta-Set would also be extraordinarily heavy, particularly when wet. If the load on your sails requires that large of a line, I would consider something with a bit more performance, even perhaps Sta-Set X. The added strength would allow for a smaller line size, less weight on the clew and better performance in the winch.

I'm a bit surprised that your boat would require lines quite that big. I would even think 5/8" would be more than enough in Sta-Set, let alone a higher performance line.
Thank you! I'll try a short piece of 3/4 and 1/2 and see which works with these winches.

Perhaps the sheets which I replaced and found to be 7/8 had expanded / swelled up over the years, or something like that. Strange. I just wish I had bought a short piece first before I went hog wild.

BTW, I spent about 2 hours searching for the specs for Barlow 32 winches without success. So, I really appreciate your info that they "officially" suggest no larger than 3/4.

Now I am thinking of using this 7/8 line for dock lines.... what a shame.

Thanks again!
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Re: Recommendation for running rigging lines

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I just went to look up the tensile strength of 7/8" Sta-Set and it doesn't appear that NE Ropes shows anything above 18mm (a bit bigger than 5/8") on their website. Sure it was Sta-Set?

I don't disagree with the poster who suggests VPC over Sta-Set X. I wasn't making an exact suggestion, just suggesting a slightly higher up the food chain line might work better.

I was interested to see, when looking up tensile strengths, that they are not necessarily higher for the same size line, in these modestly better performers (X or VPC). It seems the real advantage is in stretch, weight or perhaps whether they absorb water.
Well, they do make it, but you have to buy a full spool from West Marine, and most of the rare places that do sell the 7/8 line. So, I called NE Ropes and they told me about a company in Minnesota who had bought a lot, and they agreed to sell me the 160 feet I wanted. On that note, I was disappointed that I hadn't bought about 20 more feet to have an extra 10 for each side.

So, that line was made in Fairhaven / Bedford, (wherever they are), shipped to Minnesota, then re-shipped to Boston. Bizarre!

I've been buying VPC for my halyards. I like that a lot so far.

But, again, so far, I have been ordering just a tad less than I would like, so what I bought for the main, I am going to switch to the mizzen, and order new & more for the main.

Every single piece of line on this boat needs to be replaced. Luckily, we just got a Port Supply account! :-)

Thanks again for all you VERY valuable help!
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Re: Recommendation for running rigging lines

came across these guys, pretty neat looking outfit, bout to place an order. Kind of neat that if you are inclined they will sell you your whole kit in one shot... no affiliation just like what they offer.

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Re: Recommendation for running rigging lines

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came across these guys, pretty neat looking outfit, bout to place an order. Kind of neat that if you are inclined they will sell you your whole kit in one shot... no affiliation just like what they offer.

Cajun Ropes

I just sent those people a detailed email asking if they could / would like to get involved in estimating for every single line on my boat.

Thank you very much for the lead!

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Re: Recommendation for running rigging lines

Have to think they will want to help you out ($$ ) thought it was kind of cool they do the whole shebang ie my Mac;
MacGregor 22 Running Rigging Kit

on my last boat (a 30') I did it all myself, and was looking to do it myself again, but that price is tough to beat when it count the DIY time factor etc.
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Re: Recommendation for running rigging lines

I'd do a search before stroking that check. Some have mixed reviews of Cajun ropes.
Their prices can't be beat, but I believe it to be an inferior product. Check the stretch numbers on their lines.

In full disclosure, I’m a NER dealer and a rigger who also does rigging work then ships it to the customer.

Cajun is by far cheapest. They're advertised price is cheaper than the dealer price of NER sta-set. But don't mistake all polyester ropes as being the same quality.
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Re: Recommendation for running rigging lines

Thanks for the heads up. Here is a link to the comps... looks fair:
Cajun XLE CAD

here is what other Sailnetters say about Cajun, pretty close to 100% positive:
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Re: Recommendation for running rigging lines

Oddly, zz4gta you posted in the thread I mentioned
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I'm using VPC for jib sheets on my 25' racer, been very happy with their performance.
I've used Samson XLS before and it works well, but wouldn't recommend it for halyards or guys. I'm assuming the Cajun brand would work fine. Pretty stretchy though.

Might want to look into a single braid for the main sheet. Salsa, Apex, Bzzz line, are all good choices. Run easily, and very easy on the hands.
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And it seems you mention VPC, SALSA, APEX, BZZZ all of which are NE products with no mention of affiliation. Maybe you didn't work for them then or maybe the SN rules didn't require disclosure yet in either case you said 'Cajun would work fine' and now you say 'inferior product.' Did you have an experience that would change your mind?

Maybe you didn't have an affiliation with NE at the time but I must say it seems odd that you would recommend at least 4 NE products and now are a sales guy.

Just trying to understand your change of heart on the matter.

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Re: Recommendation for running rigging lines

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came across these guys, pretty neat looking outfit, bout to place an order. Kind of neat that if you are inclined they will sell you your whole kit in one shot... no affiliation just like what they offer.

Cajun Ropes
I talked about the fairly crappy line that they sell in post #12 of this thread.
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